Freedom of movement with Aus, NZ and Canada, post Brexit?

[Mackerz]

www.canzukinternational.com/category/free-movement

This is interesting. As part of a post Brexit trade deal, Britain and Australia are considering relaxing immigration controls between the two countries.

Someone above said there were no links worth preserving because they were based on colonialism. This is pure snobbery, and ignores the fact that there are actual family relations involved.

History is a funny thing. You read it one way, I read it another.

One man's "absorbed far more immigration per capita than the UK without anything like the tensions the UK has" is one woman's "tried to systematically wipe entire cultures off the face of the earth who are still massively disadvantaged today". If you want to know about racism in NZ, Australia and Canada, ask an indigenous person. They'll tell you.

There are some people that I will not see eye to eye on, on this thread, but to me a family relationship now, which is threatened by Brexit, is a sight more important than the ties with a country that a family left 100 years ago.

And really, is there anything more annoying than someone drinking green beer, wearing a furry green top hat and telling you they're Irish because of a grandparent on 'Leprechaun Day' as I've heard it called?

It's offensive, rather than a reason to think that person shares some sort of common bond of origin.

@MrsTerryPratchett sounds like my English cousins! All have Irish passports as they moved over as kids, all celebrate being Irish and wearing green/dressing like twats on Paddys day. All voted for brexit to keep immigrants out!

I can't see this happening. I emigrated to Oz, and even though I married an Aussie its a long drawn out and expensive process to get a permanent visa.. I reckon the AU government make a lot of cash out of it.! Also, most Aussies not be happy about this, Australia has a very selective immigration policy and most Australians would prefer to keep it that way. And what would be the advantage to Australia? Unless you have skills, or a lot of cash, and are going to be a positive financial contributor, you can come for a holiday, but you wont be invited to live here.
As for the old Australia is racist trope, I've seen just as much racism in the UK and Ireland (if not more).

A lot of Brits are non white, I can imagine how welcome Brits with West Indian/African/Asian heritage would be.

Wooaaahhh. I would say in the last 20 years I have worked with significantly more ‘non white’ people and we are now a minority. This is the case in every workplace I know in my industry (medical) and in every school my kids have attended since they became of school age and indeed at university they are a minority - you could play a game of ‘spot the extremely rare white Aussie’. It’s been like this in every major city for many many years so no idea what the hell you are talking about? Are you talking about the outback?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/24/british-tourists-will-able-fly-australia-4-hours-2030-uk-space/amp/

Well, if London to Sydney flights are cut to 4 hours it might make a trade and labour deal more sensible.

Wooaaahhh. I would say in the last 20 years I have worked with significantly more ‘non white’ people and we are now a minority. This is the case in every workplace I know in my industry (medical) and in every school my kids have attended since they became of school age and indeed at university they are a minority - you could play a game of ‘spot the extremely rare white Aussie’. It’s been like this in every major city for many many years so no idea what the hell you are talking about? Are you talking about the outback?

White Australians constitute around 80% of the population:

www.worldatlas.com/articles/ethnic-background-of-australians.html

This reminds me of a news report I watched of some town in Kent before the EU Referendum where people were asked what they thought the % of immigrants was in the town. They thought it was around four or five times higher than it actually was.

White Australians constitute around 80% of the population:

Correct, but in the total context of Australia. If you go out back of bumfuck you will only find white Australians and in some places Indigenous. Different places have very different demographics. No way Sydney metro is 80% for example. Sydney outer suburbs, yes. Melbourne metro, nope vs places like Albury in Vic which would be a yes. A lot of places would be 100% white Australians but realistically these places are hardly places that would attract a diverse mix of people. These places and outer areas skew the results of major metro centres where you are now hard pressed to find white Australians. Then there’s QLD ....... nuff said.

@HoppingPavlova is quite correct. There are suburbs in Sydney that had very, very low ‘white Australian’ populations. Just like I see in parts of London. That 80% takes into account the rural areas where people who are newly immigrated (from anywhere) don’t want to live and work because of employment prospects etc. it is hard enough to get Australian born people to move there as teachers, doctors, nurses and farmers.

Just in the street I lived in of maybe 30 houses it was maybe 50% non ‘white Australian’. And i was living in a fairly typical conservative part of Sydney.

@Mackerz can’t wait for a four hour flight London to Sydney.!!!! Sweet!!!!

Just in the street I lived in of maybe 30 houses it was maybe 50% non ‘white Australian’. And i was living in a fairly typical conservative part of Sydney.

Our street has around 150 houses. Three white households. I know this because all the real estate agents who knock on a regular basis trying to get us to sell use it as a ‘selling point’. We don’t care, doesn’t worry us at all. When we moved here around 10yrs ago the street was 100% white Australian. That’s how fast things have changed here. Not particular to us but friends experience the same. If I visit friends for instance (non-white Aust) they don’t have any in their streets either. Not a problem at all, just irritating when people who don’t live here and don’t understand how rapidly Sydney metro in particular, and Melbourne metro but to a lesser extent, have evolved so rapidly in this regard in such a short period of time and lump us all in with demographics for outer metro, country areas or dare I say, more backward states,

@HoppyPavlova
that was a quick transition in 10 years. In our part of Sydney (the burbs) there used to be buses with Chinese people visiting to buy houses so I guess it can change very, very quickly.

I loved our street. We’d have Christmas parties in the cul de sac and everyone joined in regardless of where they were born or how recently they arrived.

But yes, always sad to hear that people have a very skewed view of what it is to be ‘Australian’. Not that racism does not happen there but then it does here in the UK too.

I have a friend here who has been born here and her parents born here but is of Indian ancestry. She told me that she hates living here in this part of London because she faces a lot of rascism. Not overt perhaps, but it is there.

@nancy75 erm? But these countries are less racist than Britain...I come from Australia for instance and the only racist people there are British baby boomers.

Er, not sure if the aboriginals would agree with your hypothesis, given the way Aussie's have abused them.

No, FreshFreesias there is racism in Australia, just like most countries, including the UK. Like all treatment of indigenous people in every country that was 'colonised' there is plenty to atone for and so much work to be done. Of course, undeniably, Britain has its fair share of atrocities to indigenous populations to atone for too.