How will your life be better after Brexit?

[BertrandRussell]

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I fully expect my post to be ravaged

Well of course, because you know as well as anyone else most of it is pure bollocks

deep in your hearts you know this too remainers, which is why you are so afraid.
We have to brave this out. It will be worth it.

I think this is genuinely the funniest thing I’ve ever read on here.

@Mamamia456 our construction company employs a very international mix in all roles from senior management to general labourers.
None are on low wages.
The British and Europeans are paid equally.
We have had no Europeans leave due to Brexit

@Mistigri the resto du cœur do food parcels (paniers-repas) which I believe are similar to what UK food banks do. The paniers repas are designed to make balanced meals to be prepared at home (or wherever).

In total they have 2027 (in 2017) centres but that includes the parts that supply meals, ie soup kitchens, too.

All the info is from here fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Restos_du_cœur

But that said I'm actually a horrified remainer. From my POV I guess the good think is it's got me to sort out my French nationality after half a lifetime here. But for the general population absolutely nada.

"freedom of movement deal with Australia"

er... wait, does that mean I could easily go live there? Hey, this Brexit thing isn't looking so bad after all.

Well we can stop talking (arguing) about it for a start....

There are suspicions of minimum wage, environmental, planning, and health and safety violations, tax evasion – as well as labour exploitation and modern slavery.

Who exactly is responsible for enforcing these laws? Step forward Health and Safety people, Trading standads, HMRC etc - all UK Govt officials. Except they can't step forward because the Tory party has deliberately run down the Public sector, so they aren't there. So don't start crying crocodile tears now, for people who you wouldn't normally care two hoots about but for the fact that it fits your anti - EU immigrant narrative.

@ragged - sorry to disappoint you but I’ve just seen a news report that Liz Truss is now backtracking over that comment! She’ll be in deep water if they give free movement to Australians but not to people from EU countries.

Never

Most people are trafficked into the UK from overseas, but there is also a significant number of British nationals in slavery. The most common countries of origin are Albania, Vietnam, Nigeria, Romania and Poland

Three of those countries are not in the EU, so clearly we cannot police our borders, despite not being in Schengen, once again a UK resources issue.

When does Brexit end?

A) The Moment UK are no longer members?

or (any of) B) Moment that things seem 'normal' again, moment that other trade deals have been struck & benefits achieved? Moment that a new stable relationship with EU if formed?

If A) is the endpoint, what do we call the B) period, assuming that lasts until some kind of stability is achieved? Or will uncertainty about trade relationships become the new 'normal', in which case stability is not the end point, either?

@Thegrasscouldbegreeener. I won’t ravage your post. You obviously know I won’t agree with it. I find the comments about your grandparents particularly outrageous- people who have been through wars will generally do anything to avoid another one. And the EU is one of the reasons we have had no war since 1945. And presuming to know what long dead would want or think strikes me as extremely presumptious.

You say “) I am looking forward to refusing the useless laws from the pointless European courts and deciding our own laws“

Could you give some examples of these laws, please?

The problem with UK rabbit is mixa mitosis. The easy to catch ones are minging.

My French MIL and other 80+ neighbors raise them in cages for eating. Apparently very fragile and they die en masses at the drop of a hat.

Not really Brexit positive news as far as I can see. Though I'm sure someone could put a jolly spin on it.

@BertrandRussell

I think it's interesting that a contemporary politician/mouthpiece speaks of Empire and in my opinion it's dangerous for a few reasons:

• Empire's are inherantly bad for most people who have lived in them throughout history
• They amalgamate peoples of different nations and races, yet this has shown to be a reason for their ultimate undoing.
• They often support one specific race/culture over the other secondary amalgamated cultures
• The leadership is often from the leading/dominating culture

If he is talking of Empires wtihin the context of the future, this is how he sees the World. Not Nation States working together, but Empires where Nations and Countries are absorbed.

He evidently sees the future as some kind of clash of Empries and he espouses the notion that Great Britain have to stay within the European Empire to stay safe.

He sounds like an old British imperialist, the kind of poeple who are often berated on here as over zealous brexiteers, who are told they are living in the past.

Historically speaking, Empires tend to go to war for hegemony.

I'm not really sure why most supporters of the EU don't actually see where the European Project ultimately ends. Then again, maybe they do and think it's a good thing.

I would be interested to know where you think it ends?

Haven't read the whole thread but heard a guy on the radio telling sheila whatshername on LBC that the whole brexit thing was about turning the current political order upside down.... He described himself as working class and reckoned that his friends and work colleagues felt the same way. I wish she'd questioned him further and tried to pinpoint exactly what he meant and why he thought that would solve things, particularly as brexit is mainly a right wing wet dream.

Neveragain21

Its not my say so at all, its facts“

Bangs head against wall. No it isn’t. Your “facts” are that immigration is a problem. It is not. We need overseas workers because our own people cannot, or more commonly, will not fill the roles they take. Your “facts” are that this is the fault of the EU. It is not. British domestic politicians chose to allow unrestricted immigration from the EU. Nothing to do with Europe. Leaving it will not reduce immigration, it will simply shift where the immigrants arrive from.

If there were issues with public services in 2006/7, which were highly exaggerated for political ends and often racially motivated, whipped up by manipulative directors like Farage whom unfortunately not very bright people listened to, it was because having allowed unrestricted immigration, our own Government did not provide the resources to expand those services accordingly. Shortsightedness by our Government, again nothing whatsoever to do with our membership of the EU. Most EU immigrants, certainly initially, were young, fit, single people who worked hard and used little in the way of public services. Those they did use were more than covered by their tax and insurance receipts. A decade on, many have settled and have children in school: again, more than covered by their contributions. They are integrated members of British communities now and perfectly entitled to the same services as you. Unemployment and benefit payments in the UK are generally native issues.

We were still in our native county in 2006, Cornwall, which was largely kept afloat by financial initiatives from the EU. How those suns will be met by our own Government if we leave, goodness knows. All of the problems you originally attributed to the EU were not if it’s making, but our own. That is the fact. But you’ve made up your mind that it’s all the fault of the big, bad bogeymen in Brussels and those dodgy, grasping, suspicious forriners. There’s no reasoning with that.

Op can you prove to us that the eu has stopped wars in its borders please.

As far as I am aware there are many reasons why we have not had a war, namely from Germany who started the last two major World wars.

Which country do they you think in the eu has been agitating for war and how had being part of the eu stopped it.

Oh flipping heck I really don't like the way you write about 'forriners'. I find it rude and the tone suspicious. It's almost like stealth racism.
I've already said my own family is global, my immediate family and wider family.
It's not the immigrants job to self regulate and choose not to settle in an another country. It the responsibility of that government to make sure we can accept and safely assimilate that immigrant.

We know much truth about the impact to services were repressed.

Yes, why do so many remainers on here spell foreigners ‘forriners’?
What point are they trying to make?
Do they assume because they voted remain they can get away with being offensive?

bert I obviously can't list each law as there are a staggering 50,000 laws that have come from the EU directive since 1990 (I work in the judiciary) so have witnessed this for decades.

I have provided the link:

www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2017/march/eu-laws-introduced-in-the-uk-highlights-scale-of-challenge-facing-lawmakers-following-brexit.html

It is one of the biggest problems of extracting ourselves. We have copied and pasted most of them, and then at some point no doubt someone will start to look at what we need versus what we have been forced to accept once we have left.

Referring to my grandparents, and their view I find your post disrespectful. They haven't been dead for very long actually, and they would be very very sad to see our country capitulating to the EU given the sacrifices made and the lives lost. They would 100% support us leaving, as would many in that generation. What was the point of liberating Europe in the first place one might ask?

The powers we have given to the EU have happened by stealth over twenty or so years. No one in this country (or any other) agreed to join what is now a political state.

We did not choose to join a full political state back in the 70's bert, as you well know, no one would ever have voted for this back then, not a chance. The UK choose to join a trading bloc in the 1970s.

The EU has evolved beyond anything we could ever have imagined when we signed up, and it is not even a wildly successful one! It is failing economically as we speak, and is now back on life support with quantitive easing.

The stale argument that somehow the commission stops/prevents wars is completely inaccurate. The main reason for a lack of war in this region is Nato and alliances. Nothing to do with the commission.

Truth is on our side and this is the difference between leave and remain. You know as well as I do, we did not join a political state, nor is there any appetite for one in this country - the EU as it stands now, will never work for us.

It would be good to hear the POSITIVE case to remain, because as far as I can see there has never been one in the last four years Bert

I have provided the link:
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<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2017/march/eu-laws-introduced-in-the-uk-highlights-scale-of-challenge-facing-lawmakers-following-brexit.html" target="_blank">https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en/press-releases/2017/march/eu-laws-introduced-in-the-uk-highlights-scale-of-challenge-facing-lawmakers-following-brexit.htmll

These scandalous, anti-democratic laws being imposed on us against our will include the following (all taken from Mr. Greengrass's own link):

Chemicals (REACH), hazardous substances (RoHS) and packaging requirements which UK manufacturers have to comply with to sell into the EU

The Working Time Directive: Giving workers the right to a minimum holiday entitlement each year and limiting the working week to 48 hours;

The Temporary Agency Workers Directive: Seeking to give equal rights to agency employees and permanent employees carrying out the same job within a business;

We would be SO much better off if chemicals companies could handle hazardous substances any which way they wanted, if workers were not entitled to holidays, and temporary workers had their rights removed.

@Wallywobbles yes - I'm in France actually (I live in a deprived town and donate/volunteer to charities that distribute food). The point being made was just that you can't use English language sources and data to make comparisons between U.K. and French food charity without falling into the trap of comparing apples and oranges.

Positive reasons to remain - free movement of people and trade for starters

It would be good to hear the POSITIVE case to remain, because as far as I can see there has never been one in the last four years

Lots of reasons here!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3670575-What-has-the-EU-ever-done-for-you

Free healthcare for British people on tourist or work trips in the EU.

The right to provide services or work in any EU state - so for eg my R&D colleagues in the U.K. can be seconded to short term posting in our EU manufacturing locations with no paperwork or hassle.

Increasingly stringent banking laws that seek to prevent rich people using tax havens.

All very positive.

We know much truth about the impact to services were repressed

Really? have you any evidence for this? or links to how specifically EU immigration has reduced access and quality of services?