Westminstenders: It's like a bloody aviary

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From Flamingos to Yellowhammer and Black Swans.

The Tory Remainer is now a Dodo. Instead the party in inhabited by disaster capitalist Vultures. Jeremy Corbyn, meanwhile, has been labelled by the right wing press as a Chicken. The SNP would very much like Boris Johnson to be a Jailbird. The LDs are keen to sing like Canaries about the contents of BlackSwan. The Br

And the Tower of London is starting to get very jumpy about the whereabouts and location of its Ravens.

I would not, however, advise eating urban wild pigeons if things get desperate, from what I know of their health.

I don't get why people hate Labour so much!

If your Labour MP is, as you say, decent and moderate, doesn't that tell you something, Listen? It should surely suggest that Labour are perhaps not the screaming, Stalinist nutters we're portrayed in the right-wing press.

Gyimah’s getting slaughtered on Twitter. Some people appear to be seriously rattled.

Do you share Cendrillon's preference for No Deal with BJ rather than Corbyn as PM.?

I don’t see why the latter automatically avoids the former because Corbyn isn’t going to get better terms unless he drops some red lines, which he hasn’t committed to doing.

I met a slightly sad little Daily Mail journalist on one of the Stop the Coup protests.

It must be one hell of a weird way to earn a living.

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1172971197136613384

Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
The Prime Minister is saying that if necessary he will ignore the Commons and break the law. Elaborating on this point, he has said: "The madder the hulk gets, the stronger the hulk gets."

I'm not often lost for words. But there we are, it's nice to have new experiences.
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It's worth clicking through to see responses to the original MoS tweet...

What's interesting about Westminstenders is how there is an increasing breadth of political views being expressed

Maybe I've not noticed it as much before, but there does seem to be a lot more difference of opinion on various things.

That's a good thing.

Gyimah fillibustered the Turing Bill, he purposely blocked a bill that would have pardoned men prosecuted for being gay. There's nothing moderate about him.

The Turing pardon bill was enacted and was supported by Gyimah.

Disappointed to see Labour talking points being parroted uncritically on here (FWIW I am a past Labour voter and would vote Labour in the next GE if I had a vote).

bear I meant "Exit Deal" = WA + PD

Corbyn either takes the current WA with current PD as is, or tries to improve the PD
If he has a long enough extension, he - or rather Starmer - can radically renegotiate the latter

Yes, of course only the WA matters legally, but the PD matters great deal politically in the UK

Labour are not Stalinist nutters.
Seamus Milne is a stalinist nutter - and he is Corbyn's chief policy adviser.

If the Stalinist nutters in the heart of Labour HQ were gone, the whole party might have done a better job of blocking the Tory Brexit car crash.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/14/clarence-house-has-held-talks-archbishop-canterbury-campaign/amp/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw&__twitter_impression=true
Clarence House has held talks over Archbishop of Canterbury campaign to unite Britain after Brexit

Interesting.

The Palace is worried.

And even more interesting it's Charles doing this not Queenie.

It's the succession they are getting concerned about.

Indy

suggests we have leftwing authoritarianism to look forward to later, once the older rightwing authoritarians have died out and Both studies found that voters overwhelmingly prioritised the “security” of a strong state over liberal policies such as individual freedom and tax cuts

Reminds me of the comment in Russell T Davies' series Years and Years where the Russell Tovey character said something like "Left wing,right wing, the extremes both end up in the same place" (when Spain went through an ultra left wing coup and became anti-immigrant and homophobic, so no longer a safe sanctuary for his boyfriend who had escaped the Ukraine )

Anyone would think he had a real-life Tardis, the series has been so prescient

Let’s see what comes out from Labours conference because Corbyn is still doing this all very begrudgingly IMO.

I’d put money on him personally choosing no deal over a Remain if it came down to it.

At this stage, I certainly don't require Corbyn to say what red lines he would drop

This obsession with demanding what Corbyn would do about a PV, in a situation he probably won't get into,
looks more like displacement activity, imo

Just think of the steps that have to happen before we get there:

• extension, probably from a new PM selected by the Rebel Alliance

• Cobyn winning a GE, or having a majority with C&S from SNP or LDems

The 2nd situation would also affect what he could do:
C&S would come with conditions, which might include which red lines

You seem far more interested in nobbling Corbyn - which would mean we would not get a chance at PV or Revoke anyway

You seem far more interEster in nobbling Corbyn

I don’t give a toss about Corbyn and I certainly can see the fact that he won’t be leader forever.

What I cannot see, as you’ve pointed out, is how he’d ever get his shit sorted in time to even get the chance of a PV?

Bear He's said since 2017 that he is opposed to No Deal,
so imo your hatred towards him is making you fear some ridiculous things

Let's see if the Labour conference even wants to put No Deal in a PV

Now I love last night at the proms. And I love that the EU flags have been allowed to return.

But I do want to burn every EU beret to be burnt immediately.

He's said since 2017 that he is opposed to No Deal

But he hates the EU so given the choice between no deal and remain are you certain he’d choose Remain?

Agreed though - the conference will answer our questions.

Don't know if this has already been posted (still trying to catch up after having a nice meal sitting at the table ) but I'm loving the fact that so many of the promenades are wearing EU berets

...at the Last Night of the Proms in the Albert Hall.

😯 @ the beret animosity, Red.

I hate to say it but I think berets are going to be everywhere this Winter. H & M and And Other Stories are going big on them.

Given that boost from mainstream culture, you may be seeing a lot more blue-with-stars berets.

Stop it, BigChoc.

You're dangling hope again.

And, as Nigella Lawson tweeted, hope is painful.

Cat. Funny you should say that. Just earlier I was thinking about
John Cleese as Brian Stimson in Clockwise:

‘It's not the despair, Laura. I can stand the despair. It's the hope!’

Is this not the song that the Welsh MPs sang (in harmony) after Parliament was prorogued?

listeningquietly The last thing we need is yet another attempt by Labour MPs to change their leader

It would be unsuccessful, because the membership still support him
and it would be madness because
a 3rd attempt to overrule the membership would send Labour into turmoil and wreck the Rebel Alliance
Hence we'd get No Deal

btw, this is an example of why so many on the left & right say the centre doesn't accept it when the plebs vote the wrong way

I despise many of Corbyn's beliefs and actions, but he is - twice - the choice of their membership, so I accept that.
As PM, he's not scary - most of his policies are pretty bog-standard SPD on the continent
I get being infuriated at his pathetic performance until now, but lacking a Tardis, we have to start from here

At 70, I expect he'll be retiring soon anyway, whatever happens wrt Brexit or a GE