Westminstenders: It's like a bloody aviary

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From Flamingos to Yellowhammer and Black Swans.

The Tory Remainer is now a Dodo. Instead the party in inhabited by disaster capitalist Vultures. Jeremy Corbyn, meanwhile, has been labelled by the right wing press as a Chicken. The SNP would very much like Boris Johnson to be a Jailbird. The LDs are keen to sing like Canaries about the contents of BlackSwan. The Br

And the Tower of London is starting to get very jumpy about the whereabouts and location of its Ravens.

I would not, however, advise eating urban wild pigeons if things get desperate, from what I know of their health.

He can apparently resign as PM but not as leader of the Conservative Party - leaving him free to campaign for the Conservatives to win an overall majority in a GE

Would the Tories as the incumbent government be expected to put up another PM first?

Yes, he can

there has to then be a new PM agreed within 14 days, or there would be a GE
and of course No Deal would have already happened within those 14 days, on 31 October

Peregrina No rule about party, just that the new PM needs the confidence of the HoC
and all within 14 days

Of course, the Tories would just sit it out and hope the Rebel Alliance can't agree a PM
and even if they can, BJ as caretaker PM could refuse to recommend that HMQ appoints the new PM

On 2nd thoughts, he wouldn't be caretaker if he resigned

However, the Tories would try to block HMQ, using courts, appointing a new PM
It would all be about running out time to 31 Oct

He would only resign as PM, definitely not as Tory leader
.... unless he runs away, like Cameron

re nobile officium:

It would be totally new constitutional law, extraordinary judicial activism, for the court or the HoC to be able to take over one of the rights of the executive and ask for an extension

I would expect counter legal action to block this, which would prevent action anyway before 31 October

I assume though that Johnson is more interested in being PM than being the Tory party leader? If the Monster Raving Loony party was likely to form a Government, he would switch his allegiance to them.

He would only be out of office for a few weeks before there would almost certainly be a GE;
even if the RA produce a PM, they won't wish to, or be able to, form an actual govt

Of course, he'd rather stay PM, but if he asks for an extension, the ERG etc would probably destroy him permanently

So probably better to quit and then be the fav to win the GE - as the "persecuted hero" - a few weeks later

The former senior civil servant at DexEU debunking the whole clean break myth.

I hope the rest of the MSM will be running this

The Brexit party leader, Nigel Farage, whose party trounced the Tories in May’s European elections, has been urging the PM to deliver a “clean break Brexit” by leaving without a deal.

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But Rycroft, who was the most senior civil servant at DexEU until March this year, told the Guardian a no-deal Brexit would mark the beginning of a complex series of negotiations.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/14/hopes-of-clean-break-with-eu-are-nonsense-says-ex-brexit-official?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Hasn't Sedwill also raised the issue of ensuring parity with Scotland as a problem?. Loads of issues are devolved to the Scottish government, such as agriculture, but we have both kept the same standards and subsidy arrangements because we are both currently required to abide by EU rules. So you could have a situation of a sheep farmer on one side of a valley getting a subsidy and the sheep farmer on the other side getting nothing. Both trading in the same market.

Not Sedwill, Rycroft.

Did anyone the interview with Ed Davey from the Lib Dems this morning?

Want to revoke. No People's vote.
Didn't sound like they knew what they would do if they were in a hung Parliament - and how they would vote.

I really worry that this is a high risk strategy - Vote Lib Dem and risk No Deal by accident.

Morning

I agree choma . My heart sank even further when I heard that.

Ironically, think they are having a vote on whether to adopt this view at their conference next week.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

So probably better to quit and then be the fav to win the GE - as the "persecuted hero" - a few weeks later

Well, he doesn't seem to be going down too well in the north of England, and in the south it seems that some people who have always voted Tory are deserting, so I am really not sure how this will play out. The perception seems to be that the mess is of his own making, so I am not sure that he will be able to turn that round.

Didn't sound like they knew what they would do if they were in a hung Parliament - and how they would vote.

In interview I heard a few days ago LibDem MP Layla Moran was clear that the “revoke” would
be policy if they had an overall majority (which is pipe dream!) but they’d be supporting a 2nd referendum if they weren’t and needed to compromise.

That sounded more reasonable to me - clearly laying out opposition to Brexit, but recognising need to compromise.

I put forward the idea earlier in the summer that the LibDems should adopt a clear position like this, as supporting a referendum requires clarity over what the question will be - hard for an unequivocally “remain” party.

However, I also believed that LDs should also state that “Revoke” would be dependent on 50% of votes being for unequivocally “Remain” parties (SNP, PC, Green etc.) to remove the wind from the (in my opinion powerful) argument that they are being undemocratic and ignoring the Referendum result.

Although that may seem absurdly unrealistic, 40% of voters did vote for such parties in the EU elections.... Indeed 50% for Remain parties is probably more likely than a LD majority Government!

@Apileofballyhoo - well that makes me feel better...... I don't read much main stream media - so no idea of what bias the Times would report from. I am no fan of Corbyn - but have come to realise that he and labour are demonised by many media outlets.

However, I also believed that LDs should also state that “Revoke” would be dependent on 50% of votes being for unequivocally “Remain” parties (SNP, PC, Green etc

Something like the reverse of the oft-repeated claim that 80% of people voted for parties that supported Brexit.

Hey flouncy
I'm off to visit mum soon and am going to suggest getting small weights she can use at home:)
Ds1s 2nd hpv jab today. Feel fortunate that a) he will have had 2 doses by end oct and b) we can afford it.
Now time to try and get flu jabs sorted!!

Harry Cole@mrharrycole
Nicky Morgan: my instincts are that I am sorry the Remain campaign did not win in 2016.

Helene von Bismarck @helenebismarck
Unpopular opinion: there is something rather wonderful about Nicky Morgan trolling the government from within the cabinet by saying she would vote remain in another referendum.

Whether she is even sincere in this, I could not say. Not my point. But she is exposing, possibly inadvertently, the complete lack of principle underlying government policy.