Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

If you read any of the analysis of Sir Ivan Rogers, his take is that the WA would be the worst of all stitch ups for the UK. We have a 2 year breather but in that 2 years, the EU would hold all the cards

Well since the EU seems to be a functioning democratic institution run by actual adults, them holding all the cards doesn’t seem so bad. Far better than our current ‘government’ of squabbling playground bullies who seem to think they are above the law and accountable to no one except a handful of rich men who stand to make another fortune by betting against sterling and the U.K. economy holding all the cards.

I am one who thinks that the WA is just a slower version of no deal at this point.

No - I do too.

The whole reason the backstop is such a problem is we know we don’t have the technological solutions required to make it redundant.

And that’s because we still think we can have our cake and eat it in any future deal so it won’t be needed.

So the WA route will just drag this on to the point where we’re back at staring no deal in the face after the transition period.

I suspect that Ireland might be ok on the medicine front. The worlds viagra is made in Ireland. We can just tell on those middle aged/old men that the viagra doesn’t get exported until we get what we need first.

Seriously though Ireland makes s lot of pharmaceuticals. I have an extra month supply of the drugs that 2 of my children need but they are both made in Ireland anyway. I can’t be sure about the supply chain though.

But at least we will have faced up to the need to make preparations and started talking about it. Which we can do in the safety of a WA.

But at least we will have faced up to the need to make preparations and started talking about it.

And why would that happen when we’ve done sod all in the last 3 years due to our arrogance about the fact we think we’re special and won’t need to

It’s more can kicking IMO

We can just tell on those middle aged/old men that the viagra doesn’t get exported until we get what we need first.

Sadly, it doesn't look as though Grees-Smug or Johnson need viagra. Even if they did, they are wealthy enough to get it from abroad.

We also make the world's botox inniu. but to even consider stopping Ireland's medication as a form of ransom is disgusting and says more about the UK government then anything else. Even if a no deal happens, they will still have to come back to make some form of deal eventually. Ireland's Phil Hogan will be the man they will have to meet, so threatening Ireland will of course affect talks

The N.Ireland question should have been sorted before anyone placed an X next to Leave. Voting Leave in the circumstances either demonstrated gross ignorance of the political realities of one’s own country, or gross irresponsibility, a “fuck it I don’t care” kind of attitude.

Cam it wasn't even a thought and they didn't honestly believe that leave would win. The Irish taoiseach at the time Enda Kenny warned about it but it was basically ignored.

@Peregrina
The only abroad for viagra is Ireland. For it to get to the rest of the world it has to leave here.

Sadly, it doesn't look as though Grees-Smug or Johnson need viagra

How do you know this?

Is it in the 'private correspondences'?

A nation needs to know.

I was going by the number of children they both have. Given that Sixtus is quite young, I assumed that his father's equipment was in working order and didn't need assistance.

Ugh now there's a thought that risks putting you off your food for the rest of the day.

Nothing about NHS being shut down appx 6 months after ND

the above have already been said in other documents and don't appear to have made the hit list of yellowhammer.

Six months? Really? Is that something we’re expecting? I’ve long since accepted Brexit will herald the end of the NHS but, naively it would seem, I had expected it to limp on for a while with bits of it being gradually sold off. I hadn’t expected it to go within a few months.

I honestly didn’t think it was possible for my anxiety levels to be any higher. If that’s a realistic assessment it really is game over for a lot of us.

Something that is overlooked about No Deal is that it doesn't even deal with the formalities of ending the EU "contract"

It legally disorderly, leaving all the loose ends around, some of which are going to cause problems for years to come

Singing I know people who work with Dr Nichols and all of them have said they thought that would be on Yellowhammer. As he said in his tweet yesterday, it hasn't scratched the surface of what he has mitigated for. There is rising anger at the politics behind the secrecy.

Of course if you are a PM thinking ahead to sell off NHS then you might decide to pump in a few £bn as a backhander to whoever takes it on, under the guise you are giving it extra funds

Ivan Rogers was worried about the WA leaving us in a very weak negotiating position wrt the EU
It does, absolutely

We would be even more at their mercy wrt trade deals - but it never was a negotiation of equals
However, we are way beyond those considerations, imo

I wonder if, after a lifetime of being in an environment that follows the rules and of where the UK wields a lot of power,
he can switch to coping / accepting that our first priority should be to avoid a hard right authoritarian elected dictatorship

I suspect many ex and senior civil servants have not got their head round this
I hope Mark Sedwill has

John Lewis in no deal warning

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49672393

John Lewis has fallen to a half-year loss and says a no-deal Brexit will have a "significant" impact.

The retailer said while it had prepared for no deal, it could not fully offset the effect and the impact on fresh food supplies was a concern.

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It's clear - if we take other running threads at face value - that even now there's a hard core of people who simply have no idea what is going on. I wonder how many of them will read that story and wonder "What's this 'Brexit' thing". Somehow I can see it being non-zero.

Peregrina - wishing to not take a v unhealthy interest in the lives of Johnson or Grease-Mogg..yuk..erection and fertility are separate matters.

No Deal now certainly means the risk of meds shortages

The WA means at least this risk will be delayed;
absolute worst case with NI backstop - even a minimum FTA would be an orderly deal, with a much better chance of avoiding shortages

Best case is that sanity prevails and we get a softer Brexit - the FOM that means so much to many Remainers won't actually affect importing meds

imo we have to give the best chance to people who are dependent on meds for quality of life, or even life itself

There is no certainty that the WA will give a soft Brexit

No certainty that it will end in the same No Deal stalemate
Even if it does, once Brexit has actually happened, will there be the same acceptance / pressure to leave without a deal ?

Given time, there is hope the populist batshittery will calm down
and the conservative moderates can either start to retake their party, or set up a rival one that would steal some votes

imo, stalemate during transition would mean both parties agreeing to modify the WA to allow further extensions after 2022

• that origial date was so the Tories had to call a GE by 2022; that no longer applies since we'll be having a GE soon and the date of the next will be by late 2024 or even 2025

If we assume being in the EU is 9/10 - hell even 7/10, and that a combination of WA and it seems many many years of hard graft gets us to .... say 6/10 ... then someone, somewhere is going to say "what is the point ?". Especially as to get 2/10 of that you'll still be signed up to the EUs standards anyway.

I guess it dispels the myth the English are lazy. Although substituting hard work for intelligence isn't very .... intelligent ?

This is a pretty good summing up of the problem's of the sort of WA Johnson is likely to offer:

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/09/12/labour-s-pro-deal-contingent-is-about-to-face-a-brutal-polit

It's from Chaminda Jayanetti.

I've just had a prime example of lazy thinking and resultant wasted energy. Last week I used RingGo to pay for a parking session. I returned and had a plastic coated slip of paper with a PCN. So, we have plastic waste, paper waste and a guy printing out a ticket being paid. Obviously I knew I had paid but still then had to get home, log into RingGo, get them to email me confirmation of my receipt covering the time, go into the council website and fill out a form, attach the receipt and log all of the details as to why I shouldn't be charged etc. This took around 30mins in total. 4 days later I receive an email from the council saying that the reason I had been charged was because the officer hadn't found my car because the last letter of my reg on RingGo was a 2 rather than a Z. They will be sending me confirmation in the post that charges have been dropped but will not be if I fail to amend the error on RingGo. So, now we have email communications, people being paid to type and file and log a response, wasted paper and envelope and stamp, cars delivering a letter .7 miles across town that has already been sent electronically. All because Parking Attendant didn't think all of the other numbers and letters of the reg, car make/model and colour being the same might mean this was the same car... . Talk about joined up thinking, we can't even get past the first hurdles

On a lighter note, I'm reading "The Testaments" and was tickled to see mention that a Handmaid has "a toothbrush with a red handle". Of course she has.

jesuis I’m not sure I agree that is lazy thinking - surely the parking attendant would have typed in your actual reg and it wouldn’t have come up

He can’t be expected to check every possible typo to see if that comes up, especially if it was your input error which caused the problem.

On the face of it it’s more like entitled behaviour in expecting others to make exceptions for your mistakes.