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I know you don't agree with it. Do you really think having a dig every time I say it is productive?

It’s as productive as you constantly peddling it as the silver bullet here when it is far far from that.

Here we go again. Chill the fuck out. Haven't you got other people to have a go at.
I've said countless times, come up with something else. I don't think it's a magic bullet ffs.
Or admit that you want No Deal and everything on the Yellowhammer is what you wish on this country.

Crispin Odey gave 800, 000 to the Leave campaign. £32, 000 to Farage alone.

And made 220 million post Referendum.

bellini it’s you that’s getting arsey, not me.

My whole point is that I think we have to accept no deal is the only solution that we can start to move on from - managing the fall out quickly by probably crawling back to the EU would be no bad thing.

I don’t believe there is another viable solution, certainly not one that involves breaking up the UK because it solves 1, albeit huge, problem.

My understanding was that creating a customs border in the Irish Sea with a Northern Ireland-only backstop has already been rejected by Boris and the DUP.

It has but bellini still insists this is the solution in every other post she writes

Even if BJ back tracked, which he’s certainly capable of, it isn’t acceptable to many to break up the UK just to get a crappy WA through

Crispin Odey has also personally bankrolled Johnson and plans to make money off a No Deal - even Johnson just talking about No Deal makes money for Odey.

Crispin Odey is a private individual. He can do what he likes.

Olly Robbins was a senior civil servant working for May and Hammond and charged with negotiating a good deal for the UK. Goldman Sachs was the major donor to the Remain campaign. Goldman Sachs has consistently published dire consequences for the UK if it leaves the EU. Olly Robbins works for them now. Olly Robbins will have had significant input to the Yellowhammer documents. Goldman Sachs' dire predictions about us going into recession in 2016/2017 did not come true. They are a very controversial bank (just google goldman sachs controversies). Don't tell me it's not dodgy that our most senior Brexit negotiator is now working for them.

I think we should be very angry that the likes of Crispin Odey stands to make vast amounts of money by bank rolling a campaign which mislead the general public and will now put vulnerable groups of our citizens at risk.

What if your wrong.
I knew a leave vote means disruption,and yet MN have told me how I didn't understand what i voted for, since I have been classed as stupid that means one of two things .
Either everyone else is much better educated than myself so did understand what leave meant.
Or 17.4 people are even thicker than me..

Goldman Sachs Involvement in the EU - from Wikipedia:

Goldman is criticized for its involvement in the 2010 European sovereign debt crisis. Goldman Sachs is reported to have systematically helped the Greek government mask the true facts concerning its national debt between the years 1998 and 2009. In September 2009, Goldman Sachs, among others, created a special credit default swap (CDS) index to cover the high risk of Greece's national debt.[66] The interest-rates of Greek national bonds soared, leading the Greek economy very close to bankruptcy in 2010 and 2011.

Ties between Goldman Sachs and European leadership positions were another source of controversy. Lucas Papademos, Greece's former prime minister, ran the Central Bank of Greece at the time of the controversial derivatives deals with Goldman Sachs that enabled Greece to hide the size of its debt. Petros Christodoulou, General Manager of the Greek Public Debt Management Agency is a former employee of Goldman Sachs.
Mario Monti, Italy's former prime minister and finance minister, who headed the new government that took over after Berlusconi's resignation, is an international adviser to Goldman Sachs.
Otmar Issing, former board member of the Bundesbank and the Executive Board of the European Bank also advised Goldman Sachs.
Mario Draghi, head of the European Central Bank, is the former managing director of Goldman Sachs International.
António Borges, Head of the European Department of the International Monetary Fund in 2010–2011 and responsible for most of enterprise privatizations in Portugal since 2011, is the former Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs International.
Carlos Moedas, a former Goldman Sachs employee, was the Secretary of State to the Prime Minister of Portugal and Director of ESAME, the agency created to monitor and control the implementation of the structural reforms agreed by the government of Portugal and the troika composed of the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Peter Sutherland, former Attorney General of Ireland was a non-executive director of Goldman Sachs International.

Sorry that was so long. I'm off to work now.

Oranginna so you’re openly accusing Olly Robbins of being a “traitor” whilst ignoring the fact that the current PM is personally financially benefitting from someone who in turn financially benefits every time the PM opens his mouth?

Gosh.

mummmy it’s not about who is the thickest, it’s about acknowledging the repercussions of your choice.

There are going to be negative repercussions, that’s beyond doubt.

You have to get your head around the permanency of the situation versus a bit of snow and understand that, even if you’re just fine, it’s going to cause a lot of hardship for a lot of people

And all because you and fellow Leavers want something they can’t even put into words anyway.

I'm still hopeful that the EEA/EFTA solution will be seized upon.

Sadly the twats in Parliament are too absorbed in their own hubris to approach Brexit with any pragmatism.

Too busy pushing their various ideologies of revoke, fucking 'people's vote', clean-break, reheating & bastardising the WA, Scottish Independence, humiliating the Tories, etc etc etc etc....

If EEA/EFTA was seriously considered they'd realise that it is the best option.
Will not please clean break Brexiters, will not please hardline remainers - but would be acceptable to broad majority across both camps.

A genuine compromise.
Leave the political institutions, reduce our financial contributions significantly, ability to pursue independent trade deals with other countries, solves the border issue etc

I continue to live in hope....

But your forgetting we had a vote.
The ones who could be bothered to vote are the ones who dicate where the UK heads.
We had an Election which reinforced this .
Labour agreed to go on this journey as well.
Had the time been spent in just getting us out we would have left.
Labour have twice refused an election to reinforce the direction we should head because they are legally trying to stop the voting public from having a say.

But your forgetting we had a vote

I’m not forgetting that at all, I’m pointing out the fact you need to take responsibility for your vote and it’s consequences.

You seem to think all you had to do was tick a box and nothing else mattered.

That’s not the case

Your choice and your dogged refusal to accept anything other than no deal will cause real hardship to some people and that’s on your head whether you accept it or not

Labour are rightly refusing to support a GE whilst there is any risk of a no deal exit. Very sensible approach.

So your saying that a vote counts for nothing.
That even if an MP is standing for a 75% leave if he thinks that is wrong personally he should vote to stop it...
I do own it.. 40 years to get out of EU, anything is worth it to achieve that .

Dusty I'm still hopeful that the EEA/EFTA solution will be seized upon

If the UK had gone down that route from the outset then it would have been a compromise that I think moderates on either side could have lived with.

May ruled it out in her January 2017 Lancaster House Speech with her red lines - and I think May’s red lines are too entrenched now to backtrack.

anything is worth it to achieve that

Anything that doesn’t actually affect you I suspect.

That even if an MP is standing for a 75% leave if he thinks that is wrong personally he should vote to stop it...

Yes - because MPs are representatives not delegates and their duty is vote in what they believe is in the best interests of the UK.

And BTW, according to your thinking John Redwood should be supporting Remain policies, given his constituency voted over 56% Remain.

Sorry Doris just catching up from last night. I am very much paying attention. 1) You can't denigrate Gove's judgement in one post and then rely on it in the next. 2) The point in question was not the expertise of the experts but rather the likelihood of what they were presenting.

However I will go further and stray into controversy. I have no doubt about the medical expertise of the doctors consulted or even their expertise regarding NHS procurement procedures. However it is more of a stretch to assume they are also experts in import / export. I am tempted to hold them in the same regard as JRM. According to him they are so much beyond reproach that he cannot conceive of them having come up with the necessary contingency. planning.

Bear if they voted for what they promised when being elected we would be out now.
So that makes most MPs liers.

mummmy I haven5 mentioned MPs

I’m trying to get you to understand that your choice is going to have significant repercussions for a lot of people and you don’t seem to care because you state that leaving the EU is worth any price yet you can’t explain why or what price you personally are willing to accept

You don’t even understand there’s a difference between temporary disruption due to snow and permanent disruption due to a completely new customs process

I’m past caring about the rights and wrongs of the referendum, whether MP’s are doing anything right and whether the Courts should have got involved. My concerns are how do we recover from the negative impact of leaving the EU. It’s bad with a deal but suicidal on a no deal basis. I’ll never understand why anyone voted to leave but that’s their right even though most can’t articulate why.