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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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tobee · 09/09/2019 15:55

I bet the Bercows have had many death threats. SadAngry

ImNotYourGranny · 09/09/2019 15:56

The Tories have no soul.

Belindabelle · 09/09/2019 15:56

I am delighted that he has resigned on his own terms and not given the Conservatives the chance to de select him.

flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 16:00

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Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 16:01

I'm thinking he's going now before an election to give parliament a chance to choose a new speaker from the current bunch rather than a possibly more scary bunch after a GE.

flouncyfanny · 09/09/2019 16:02

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colouringinpro · 09/09/2019 16:03

Can some tell me if Bercow leaving is good or bad for Remainers?

phpolly · 09/09/2019 16:06

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bellinisurge · 09/09/2019 16:06

Well the next Speaker has (I think) to come from the Labour side. I think they take it in turns.
It has to be someone good and who commands respect of both sides.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 16:06

Can some tell me if Bercow leaving is good or bad for Remainers?

In theory, it shouldn't make a jot of difference. The speaker is supposed to be above party and policies.

prettybird · 09/09/2019 16:07

Question: does the PM still have to do PMQs during the week of the Queen's Speech debates?

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 16:09

Noooooo Bercow!

DadDadDad · 09/09/2019 16:10

bellinsurge - that's what I thought, but once again, Wikipedia to the rescue as the system changed in 2007:

Under the new system, candidates must be nominated by at least twelve members, of whom at least three must be of a different party from the candidate. Each member may nominate no more than one candidate. The House then votes by secret ballot; an absolute majority (i.e. more than 50% of the votes cast) is required for victory. If no candidate wins a majority, then the individual with the fewest votes is eliminated, as are any other candidates who receive less than 5% of the votes cast. The House continues to vote, for several rounds if necessary, until one member receives the requisite majority. Then, the House votes on a formal motion to appoint the member in question to the Speakership. (In the unlikely event that this motion fails, the House must hold a fresh series of ballots on all of the nominees.)

If only one candidate is nominated, then no ballot is held, and the House proceeds directly to the motion to appoint the candidate to the Speakership. A similar procedure is used if a Speaker seeks a further term after a general election: no ballot is held, and the House immediately votes on a motion to re-elect the Speaker. If this motion fails, candidates are nominated, and the House proceeds with voting (as described above).

DadDadDad · 09/09/2019 16:11

(If it wasn't clear, the above is a description of how a new Speaker is chosen).

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 16:11

His eyes went slightly when Jo Cox was mentioned, and I went with him too.

Sostenueto · 09/09/2019 16:14

Berkow is going I'm so upset! Can't we chain him to the chair?! Well we are truly stuffed when he goes and so are the backbencher's! He will be sorely missed Sad. He's been got at that's what it is!Angry

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 16:16

I wonder why the system changed in 2007 ?

Hoooo · 09/09/2019 16:17

The tories showing exactly how little they respect the HofC and sovereignty.

MockersthefeMANist · 09/09/2019 16:22

By convention the next speaker should come from a party other than the Conservatives, but this is not a requirement. The break with this tradition was when Betty Boothroyd was followed by the unfortunate Michael Martin. It is unlikely the present house will go down that route.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 16:22

If there is a hung parliament after the GE, then none of the main parties may want to give up a voting MP to become Speaker
balanced against the chance to get their man / woman making the Speaker's decisions

"In theory, it shouldn't make a jot of difference. The speaker is supposed to be above party and policies."

That was before

We may for decades hence refer to Before:

when normal conventions were kept
the PM was subject to the law
and Parliament wasn't beseiged by fascist thugs

and that's just wrt politics
fuck knows what the economy and public services will be like, a few years after Year Zero

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 16:23

I wonder why the system changed in 2007 ?
I can't remember who spoke, but they were talking about previously it was a whipping exercise previously and the back benchers took some sort of stand to have a more cross party decision.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 16:23

"By convention" would be ignored anyway if BJ wins a majority

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 16:24

Anna Soubry talking about the Bollocked By Bercow group Grin

ContessaLovesTheSunshine · 09/09/2019 16:24

I watched live - sad times Sad

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 16:29

BigChocFrenzy Sad before and after indeed.