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Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 23:23

Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

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TheNumberfaker · 04/09/2019 12:44

So what happens to bills that are waiting for royal assent prior to prorogation?

LouiseCollins28 · 04/09/2019 12:45

Agree on both points prettybird "surrender bill" is for an audience far away from Westminster and I think it'll play pretty well there, sadly.

pumkinspicetime · 04/09/2019 12:46

Hazard if you need help buying stuff from the USA send me a pm (although drug prices are shocking here)

CrunchyCarrot · 04/09/2019 12:47

What kind of government knowingly inflicts this on its citizens?

Unfortunately when it comes to medicines I'm already acutely aware of many who have had their liothyronine (thyroid hormone) stopped for no good reason other than the NHS doesn't want to spend the money on it. And why is it so expensive? Because there's a cartel running the supply of it, which the govt has done nothing about. It seems to be a policy of theirs to prevent thyroid sufferers having anything but levothyroxine, despite the fact that that med does not work for a significant number of people. It's scandalous. It's not about patient well being. It's about Big Pharma.

I will get off my soapbox but the whole affair makes me livid. Angry

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 04/09/2019 12:47

Hazard. 💐❤️💐

Morally I feel obliged to pay abroad, it's not ideal but what little stock there is left needs to go to patients who can't afford to do what we're doing.

This comment demonstrates your selfless compassion in the face of such extreme pressure.

Good luck with your search of the Indian pharmacies.

Songsofexperience · 04/09/2019 12:47

I also cannot bear hearing him refer to 'our friends and partners' whilst he treats them as enemies ('surrender bill' pffff, we're not at war FFS)

Grinchly · 04/09/2019 12:48

It's a terrible performance but the sound bites and knee jerk word choices are all there to be used and spun:

Surrender Bill
Frit
Calling Jc a chlorinated chicken and 'caracas' - he's used that before
Let's get it done

He hasn't answered any questions of substance at all.

Songsofexperience · 04/09/2019 12:48

💐 for @hazard

I hate this crap everyday a little more.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 12:50

"It's a very difficult issue, I have no idea about never mind have a solution, so I'm going to waffle about a review and hope no one notices that I'm utterly clueless."

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 12:51

^^response Johnson gives to a question talking about detail and isn't an election style issue.

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CrunchyCarrot · 04/09/2019 12:51

Wow Tanmanjeet Singh Deesh has my absolute respect for having a go at Johnson for his racist remarks!!

Mistigri · 04/09/2019 12:52

The advice we've received is look abroad and pay for it.

Hazard, apart from the risks of ordering online what about the legality? Is a trip to Europe out of the question, esp while EHIC still valid? You might find that your DP was covered at least for the 70% of consultation and drug costs that is covered by the EHIC.

Perhaps BCF would google to see if Germany is also affected by stock-outs and I would be glad to ask in our local pharmacy here in France.

We are also affected by some stock-outs, because drug prices are low in France and big pharma therefore - illegally - prioritises other markets. Had a conversation with our pharmacist about this last week - of my prescription, 3 out of 4 drugs affected (my usual steroid cream no longer available at all, no prednisolone in stock so an equivalent dispensed, and my usual inhaler only available in a different format).

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 12:52

Grinchly, his answers will look good on clips on Facebook...

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 04/09/2019 12:53

Oh gawd, Johnson’s trying his ‘my Muslim ancestor’ card...

CrunchyCarrot · 04/09/2019 12:53

You can order prescription medicines online provided they are for your own use. If you buy them and then supply them to another person you are breaking the law.

Grinchly · 04/09/2019 12:53

Yes,agree RTB

MockersthefeMANist · 04/09/2019 12:54

So whatever the question, the answer is, Yehbut Jeremy Corbyn...

Grinchly · 04/09/2019 12:54

ThanksThanksThanks for hazard. It is truly appalling.

peridito · 04/09/2019 12:55

Watching with TV muted and subtitles on really highlights BJ's empty rhetoric ,his failure to answer any of the points put to him .

And what's with the right hand feeling in his jacket inner pocket ?

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 12:56

So whatever the question, the answer is, Yehbut Jeremy Corbyn...

Or if you are in London, Yehbut Sadiq Khan...

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/09/2019 12:56

AdamBienkov
Boris Johnson says he can't be Islamophobic because he's got Muslim ancestors #PMQs
My paternal family has some catholic ancestors and others were some of the founding quakers, you want to hear their views on anyone who isn't CofE with no irony that they're only CofE as a technicality as none of them are remotely church going or observant

Apileofballyhoo · 04/09/2019 12:56

Oh lord above in heaven.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 12:56

And what's with the right hand feeling in his jacket inner pocket ?

Crib notes hidden there just in case?

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EleanorScott · 04/09/2019 12:56

I'm writing a piece for my politics blog today about these awesome threads and MN as a current political force. I would like to credit @RedToothBrush for setting up Westminstenders, and quote @prettybird ('The more I think about it ...') if you're ok with that? You said you childishly wanted the credit, @prettybird - you absolutely deserve it!

Also I'd love to mention dear @bellinisurge and her amazing dehydrator Grin

Here's an example of something I wrote a while ago so you can see the style of my blog. It sits in my website which is predominantly history & archaeology focused. It's open access, no ads.
eleanorscottarchaeology.com/els-blog/2019/3/14/the-day-that-mumsnet-took-down-penny-mordaunt-mp

phpolly · 04/09/2019 12:59

I was scanning the NYTimes for their take on what's happening here and found this piece: www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/opinion/trump-voters-chaos.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
There's some truly fascinating analysis here of who and what drives the dissemination of misinformation. Applies equally to the UK (and just about everywhere) and is equally harmful to all political systems.