Westminstenders: Drain The Swamp

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Johnson lost his first vote by 27.

The Commons take control again, and Johnson is now, with his majority gone, is seeking an election.

Whilst the feeling might be one of victory there is a definite sting in the tail.

Johnson has purged the party of 'trouble makers', meaning any replacements after an election are hard liners. And they will be in safe seats. Possibly many of which will be careerists parachuted in.

The party has split. The civil war is over.

Parliament has just lost some of its very best minds in the process. That bodes ill for us all in the long term. The polarisation has just jacked up a level. The centre has fallen even more.

There are no more moderates.

Polling suggests that Johnson won't be blamed for any of this and that's significant.

Take note of this tweet

Douglas Carswell @Douglascarswell
Boris Vs the political Parasites. Guess who wins across suburban Britain?

The optics are not about what you or I are seeing. Nor about what any of the politicial pundits are seeing.

The Democrats and the Media failed to see Trump coming... And this is what now concerns me. His optics are not bad with his core and targets.

Will Johnson be able to have his election?

If yes, I fear the polls look good for Johnson. People want 'Brexit over with' and don't want another extension. They may or may not understand the ramifications of that.

If no, then what? Johnson can do anything with his numbers. Does that mean potentially two governments and the Queen stuck in the middle? Or does he limp on, with no intention of doing anything but take us over the cliff by counting down the clock?

Or something else?

The Brexit Party and Conservatives now seem to have formally united one way or another. They have aligned with current politics alike the divided Opposition parties.

Tonight the penny might have dropped with a few Labour MPs too. They want May's deal to return. Its the only deal there is, in the absence of a Johnson plan and a Labour / Opposition plan. Too little too late...

This isn't going away as an issue either. Stoking up anger against the rebel alliance is a long term project for the fascist right.

Is tonight’s result a victory? Yes, but my fear is its potential to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

The battle today may have been won, but Johnson still looks set to win...

Johnson just claimed that Scotland has the highest taxes in Europe. Easily contradicted with a quick Google.

SpaffBoy is not waving but drowning.

Jeremy Corbyn "incessantly calls for a general strike..."

must have missed that.

"It's authoritarianism that is the strongest correlate."

cat Those with poor education are more likely to become authoritarian:

they haven't learned to analyse opinions, search for other povs and for facts, to balance pros vs cons

They aren't used to long analyses and debates, just to quick soundbites & headlines - so these are what form their opinions

They feel threatened / bored by complex arguments they don't understand, so want quick and simple solutions

• slogans like "build a wall" work brilliantly

The Guardian had an article about drug supply and Brexit. It seems to boil down to another just-in-time supply system with no redundancy in place and issues with transport. We've been operating in a European-wide specialised economy and suddenly have to look at self sufficiency, and we don't have that.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/31/prescription-drug-brexit-pharmacy-supply-chains-shortages
Forgot link sorry

Hazardtired what is happening to you and your DP is so terrible. It absolutely beggars belief. I am really sorry.

What is PMK please?

BCF you were much better at making the point I've been trying to make - thank you

I don't have time to rtft (at work) but have we talked about what Sir Roger Gale said about Cummings this morning?

And he voted with the government yesterday!

Think DomCum's goose is getting nicely roasted.

I am paraphrasing but Ian Blackford called BJ the new boy and reminded him that the MP ask the questions and the PM is supposed to answer.

Bercow pulls BJ up for using names in the Chamber.

The EU is a huge market with much greater muscle / consumer power if there are world shortages of anything
Obviously they would prioritise member countries and hang onto their own stocks

The UK in the years before the ref was the leader in demanding that EU countries be first in the queue if there are shortages of anything,
e.g. the UK had this specified in the rules for the electricity connectors that non-EEA countries could only participate after EEA countries had received all they wanted

Myriade This was covered on another thread. There are a number of factors in the shortage of meds and Brexit uncertainty is only a small factor let alone there being any sort of implicit or explicit policy driver. The feed shortage is a specific manufacturing issue for instance. More generally the markets have become dysfunctional and some drugs are being sucked into other markets inside and outside Europe.

The issue has been affecting friends with mental health issues for years now, and has caused a lot of stress and suffering chasing scarce resources like Hazard around pharmacies across the country or buying them abroad. I would be very surprised given that 1 in 3 bipolar people attempt suicide, if lack of or changed meds have not resulted in deaths.

Sending to Hazard

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

Hazard Your situation is terrible!

What kind of government knowingly inflicts this on its citizens?

prettybird, we went on holiday to Scotland this summer. Absolutely loved it - spent loads of time looking in estate agent windows and wishing we could move.

It's a Trump-like performance.

Same over and over 'dither and delay'. 'Surrender bill'

Etc etc

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/the-opium-kicked-in-rees-mogg-admits-20190904188760

BlowJobCum's constant reference to the "Anti No Deal" bill as the "Surrender Bill" will backfire within Parliament.

But he's not aiming that message to Parliament, he's playing to the populist public.

"Surrender" is the word on the front of the Express and Mail. This is no accident.

A link www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-46843631

There would also be supply problems if the NHS / UK firms are demanding to buy in Sterling !

We've already heard that many suppliers abroad are refusing longer term Sterling advance contracts

So some UK importers will only be buying sufficient for their day-to-day needs and if they can't find / pay for climatised warehouse space, they can easily run out of stock

@BigChocFrenzy
"mainstream conservatives used the military to maintain control (Spain, Greece)."

Those were fascist military governments, dictatorships

They certainly didn't escape fascism hmm

They were authoritarian, not not fascist:

"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants...[work towards]... goals of internal cleansing and external expansion"

Franco was a nationalist military dictator, but lacked the ideological element of fascism, which is one reason why he did not get dragged into WWII

I am cringing at Johnson’s performance OMG it is terrible.

Attacking Sadiq Khan now. He really is channelling Trump...

Oh and he's just thrown in another dither and delay and confusion.

He is going to end up with RSI if he doesn’t stop jabbing that finger.

lexiters saying they'd vote Tory and accept 5 years of destruction and death from a hard right Govt:

Same question as to JRM: "How many deaths would you accept for Brexit ?