So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

[Bearbehind]

This will be interesting to watch!

But you don't, you are happy for No Deal and should just say so.

I have done! Many times!

Then you are a No Dealer. And no different to any other No Dealer on here.

Maybe. Except I want it so that it can be seen how bad it is and we can hopefully limit the damage and move on quicker - like ripping a plaster off.

Anything else now is just prolonging the agony.

What part of recent events gives you the idea that it's a "whip the plaster off and move on"?

I'm with you bellini.
It's tempting to think that the disaster itself is the only way to make the scales fall off people's eyes. It won't. It will lead to more bad news, more lies, more deceit. We really should not jump into that particular black hole. There's nothing cathartic in there, just more pain.

If it all goes to rat shit, as is predicted, we would need to do some pretty quick backtracking to prevent it getting even worse.

That’s the only way I can ever see Leavers being silenced, and even then it’ll be the EUs fault.

And if it doesn’t go to rat shit then great.

Describe this back tracking. If we are out of the EU by then what kind of backtracking do you seek.

A solution to the Irish border conundrum, if it can be found, should have been described in detail before Article 50 was triggered.

If BJ cannot come up with an answer in 30 days Article 50 should be REVOKED

How on earth do you not see this as dividing the nation?

From a Scottish perspective I don't see dividing the nation as a bad thing. What nation, really. The direction of travel in Westminster bears no relation to the social and political aspirations of Scotland.

@Yaralie - A solution to the Irish border conundrum, if it can be found, should have been described in detail before Article 50 was triggered.

While I absolutely agree with you, I dislike the use of the term the Irish Border. It's actually a british border, imposed on the island of Ireland by the british. Calling it the Irish border suggests we are the ones responsible for it and that we are the ones causing the problem.

And yes, I know you're not suggesting that. I'm hungry and have a while to wait before I can have lunch so am irritated easily right now

A hard border between the republic and NI is not going to appear as if by an act of god. There won't be one if we don't put one there. Even prior to the GFA there were lots of places you could cross. If a border is an issue we could simply not have it.

BigFatLiar

Apt username

How do you stop counterfit and dangerous goods entering the EU via the UK?

Describe this back tracking. If we are out of the EU by then what kind of backtracking do you seek.

Agreeing to pretty much everything we won’t agree to now.

JustAnotherPoster00

Or indeed goods from the EU entering the UK. But the issue of Import/export controls is a separate one from the political issue of a border. Surely we can all trust big business to behave responsibly, after all many of our political leaders are prominent business people.

@BigFatLiar - A hard border between the republic and NI is not going to appear as if by an act of god. There won't be one if we don't put one there. Even prior to the GFA there were lots of places you could cross. If a border is an issue we could simply not have it.

Seriously? That is one of the most idiotic statements I've seen in a while.

How do you stop counterfit and dangerous goods entering the EU via the UK?

More to the point, how do you propose squaring no border therefore no checks and tariffs, with WTO rules.

The 3 phrases which Leavers continue to spout which wind me up the most are

1. if we don’t want a border and they don’t want a border, we won’t have a border
2. we won, you lost, get over it
3. they need us more than we need them

@BigFatLiar - Surely we can all trust big business to behave responsibly, after all many of our political leaders are prominent business people.

Ok. Now you're definitely taking the piss.

Surely we can all trust big business to behave responsibly, after all many of our political leaders are prominent business people.

Oh dear

"'Describe this back tracking. If we are out of the EU by then what kind of backtracking do you seek.'

Agreeing to pretty much everything we won’t agree to now."

I know you find it triggering to even let the idea sully your eyes but doesn't that mean an NI backstop. Which I have suggested. And which you find so abhorrent.

The former is not an acceptable consequence of the latter for many, particularly when it’s the Conservatives and UNIONISTS who are in government.

The Conservatives don't give a shit about Scotland or about the union. Look at attitudes in Westminster to Scottish MPs and at how the First Minister was entirely excluded from any planning on Brexit. And at how many Brexiters think the end of the Union is a fair price to pay for leaving the EU.

but doesn't that mean an NI backstop. Which I have suggested. And which you find so abhorrent.

bellini the backstop is not the same as the suggestion you keep peddling about NI best no a special economic area

It's exactly the bloody same.

I call it special economic area because Brexiteers are so triggered by the word backstop.

bellini WTF are you talking about.

The backstop just means that the whole of the UK remains in SM / CU until a solution to the NI border is found.

Just NI remaining is one such option but it’s not the only one, and for the millionth time, it’s not going to get through.

You really can't cope with ideas that aren't yours can you?
I have been in a special economic area. It's just bullshit words for "something different from the standard" Which an NI only backstop which has never been tested in Parliament would be.
You are a No Dealer. Tbe idea of anything Brexit that isn't no Deal obviously terrifies you.