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So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

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Bearbehind · 21/08/2019 19:33

This will be interesting to watch!

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Bearbehind · 23/08/2019 10:23

In other words Lexit

In other words BINO.

Leavers just won’t go for that so we’ll have the uprise of the Brexit party to ‘get us out properly’

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MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:26

"It is estimated that 60% of labour voters also voted to leave in the referendum."

Untrue

Estimates came from fullfact.org based on constituencies

fullfact.org/online/referendum-results-by-constituency/

Extrapolation of results from 2,194 used by BBC over the 33.5 million who voted in 2016 is very inaccurate. Also remember that BBC is anti brexit and is often called Brexit Bashing Corporation, Biased Broadcasting Corporation. Question time since Brexit has had over 60% of those on the panel who are remain supporters.

However, I would agree that the exact figures can't be calculated.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 23/08/2019 10:30

Also remember that BBC is anti brexit

That glue must be good

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:30

All I hear is why it won't work. Do you want us to fail to prove a point?

Some posters have expressed the view that if Brexit makes people worse off they will say to the leave supporters

TOLD YOU SO

Seem to forget that whatever the outcome it will affect everyone.

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:37

That glue must be good

So explain the greater number of remain supporters on BBC Question Time.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 23/08/2019 10:40

So explain the greater number of remain supporters on BBC Question Time.

It does seem to be a headbanger talking point but doesnt make it fact

whyamidoingthis · 23/08/2019 10:44

@Thornhill58 - We had a referendum Leave won and we must come out.

You would be gone long ago if you could just make a realistic decision as to what you actually want. And wanting your cake and eating it doesn't count as a decision.

At this stage, those of us in the rest of the EU just want shot of you. The UK has been a negative influence in the EU for some time and the last 3 years have just reinforced that.

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:44

It does seem to be a headbanger talking point but doesnt make it fact

Link is

iea.org.uk/media/iea-analysis-shows-systemic-bias-against-leave-supporters-on-flagship-bbc-political-programmes/

The results were based on actual appearance on QT. So hard to dispute.

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:48

And wanting your cake and eating it doesn't count as a decision

I agree.

At this stage, those of us in the rest of the EU just want shot of you

I can see where that view would come from as well.

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 10:55

@AnotherPoster00

There were questions about the legitimacy of both leave and remain campaigns. However, the decision by 498 MPs to invoke Article 50 makes allegations against either campaign irrelevant.

BBC Question Time is biased as pointed out by Charles Moore at the beginning of the programme on 4 April 2019.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 23/08/2019 11:04

Oh yeah the word of a Torygraph journo must be gospel Hmm ffs

How much was the Remain campaign fined?

whyamidoingthis · 23/08/2019 11:13

@MysteryTripAgain - Also remember that BBC is anti brexit

I have no idea about remain vs leave representation on BBC programmes but one programme skewed in one direction doesn't mean the organisation is skewed.

We have very clear laws in Ireland about equal representation by the national broadcaster. It doesn't stop both sides claiming bias during contentious referenda. However, the broadcaster will generally respond with numbers that show this is not the case. Some programmes may be skewed one direction but others are skewed in the opposite direction.

You would need to analyse all programmes and compare leave vs remain representation to show a bias in either direction.

prettybird · 23/08/2019 11:18

Remind me again how many EU supporting MEPs from the UK have been on QT? Hmm

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 11:27

Oh yeah the word of a Torygraph journo must be gospel hmm ffs

The panelist, Charles Moore, quoted results from the link above as opposed to a personal opinion. Not all conservative voters support leave.

How much was the Remain campaign fined?

Not relevant as decision to invoke Article 50 cancels any complaint against either leave or remain. As T May an most MPs are pro remain I would have thought they would have jumped at the chance to discredit the referendum result and declare it void.

BBC is being challenged legally by a former BBC executive based on his analysis over a 20 year period.

notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/07/09/bbc-faces-legal-challenge-over-bias/

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 11:39

Remind me again how many EU supporting MEPs from the UK have been on QT?

Most recent was Mairead McGuiness on 4 April 2019. Can't think of any others.

jasjas1973 · 23/08/2019 11:49

As T May an most MPs are pro remain I would have thought they would have jumped at the chance to discredit the referendum result and declare it void

Yes thats an odd one and disapproves May et al are remainers, given how quickly jo johnson, rudd and hancock changed their views, i'd say at best many MPs are ambivalent over EU membership (May certainly was during the campaigning) and more interested in personal gain & power.

whyamidoingthis · 23/08/2019 11:57

@MysteryTripAgain - Most recent was Mairead McGuiness on 4 April 2019. Can't think of any others.

Ffs. This is exactly why Irish people are getting so pissed off with the lot of you. Mairead McGuinness is an Irish MEP. Born and bred in Ireland.

Despite what many idiots in the UK (mainly England) think, Ireland is an independent country.

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 12:04

Mairead McGuinness is an Irish MEP

I know I watched the programme on 4 April 2019. Overlooked the bit in the question about "from the UK". Not meant to be rude.

whyamidoingthis · 23/08/2019 12:11

@MysteryTripAgain - Overlooked the bit in the question about "from the UK".

Fair enough.

Unfortunately, there is a cohort of British (mainly English) people who don't seem to realise Ireland is an independent country. Irish sportspeople are claimed as British on TV, the current assumption by many that Ireland should just fall into line and do what is needed.

I was actually on the phone with an English woman a number of years ago (business call) and it was patently obvious she though Ireland was part of the UK. I had to spell it out for her in the end.

Cailleach1 · 23/08/2019 12:22

Question still stands on how many non-brexiteers MEP's were on QT. And then look at the proportion of British non Brexiteers MEP's to adjust the proportion whose viewpoint was excluded.

prettybird · 23/08/2019 12:24

I was quite deliberate in my wording Grin

Just goes to show how ignorant (in the true sense if the word) some people are Wink

And illustrated the point I was making perfectly Grin

prettybird · 23/08/2019 12:28

There are many pro-EU UK MEPs. Not a single one has been on QT. Angry

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 12:56

Not a single one has been on QT

BBC have defended that as recently as June 2019 with statement

On the whole each party represented by its most high profile and influential politicians whether MPs, MEPs or whoever

The use of the high profile might explain why Farage has been on so many times. Maybe panelist’s are selected on who might draw the most viewers?

MysteryTripAgain · 23/08/2019 12:58

Just goes to show how ignorant (in the true sense if the word) some people are

Another one who thinks anyone who has a different opinion to themselves is automatically inferior.

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