So Johnson has 30 days to come up with an alternative to the backstop......

[Bearbehind]

This will be interesting to watch!

the current assumption by many that Ireland should just fall into line and do what is needed

That’s more from Westminster than the UK as a whole I would say.

In England there is the North South divide and those from the North are overlooked. If you live further up England than Watford you are often labelled as benefit scrounging thick head. Scotland faces similar issues.

Brexit is a good example of Westminster’s assumption of superiority. Nobody from NI, Scotland or Wales invited to take part in the Brexit negotiations or even consulted as the peasants shall do as they are told.

Look up the word "ignorant" - it is nothing to do with being inferior or having a different opinion . There are many things about which I am ignorant - and will happily admit to being so.

@MysteryTripAgain - That’s more from Westminster than the UK as a whole I would say.

It extends well beyond Westminster. There has been a significant increase in anti-Irish sentiment in the UK.

Heavens above, how could you overlook the words from the UK?
Still you will now be furnishing us with a long list, a list which is at least as long as that of the anti-Brexit parties.

Still you will now be furnishing us with a long list, a list which is at least as long as that of the anti-Brexit parties

List of what? Pretty has already confirmed that there have been no pro eu meps from the UK on question time.

There has been a significant increase in anti-Irish sentiment in the UK

Not where I live in the North East. Very little said about Brexit other than how long it is taking to happen.

@MysteryTripAgain - Not where I live in the North East

Maybe you haven't seen it but as someone who is not not Irish, you would be unlikely to unless you associate with bigots. It seems to be happening around the country.

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/anti-irish-sentiment-in-britain-i-feel-like-i-am-back-in-the-1980s-1.3992131

extra.ie/2019/03/28/news/irish-news/emmett-polland-anti-irish-abuse

The comments sections on any of the pro-brexit newspapers have plenty of anti-Irish comments. Given that north east of england voted quite strongly for brexit, it is reasonable to assume that many of those reading and commenting on pro-brexit papers are from the NE.

The comments sections on any of the pro-brexit newspapers have plenty of anti-Irish comments

If you are referring to the online comments sections in the tabloids they can be accessed from anywhere. As anonymous people can post anything and maybe tempted to over exaggerate as there is no comeback.

I personally would not take too much notice as it’s only people throwing stones from a distance. Regular comments from London and the South about the Northern benefits scroungers if you look on Daily Mail comments.

@MysteryTripAgain - If you are referring to the online comments sections in the tabloids they can be accessed from anywhere.

Yes, I know that. However, my point is that many pro-brexit people are posting these comments. The North east has a strong pro-brexit constituency. It is probable that some of the people posting these comments are from the NE.

There are also plenty of accounts from Irish people of an increase in anti-Irish sentiment and verbal abuse. This is happening in a wide variety of places.

As you are not Irish, you may never have witnessed it. That doesn't mean it's not happening.

List of what? Pretty has already confirmed that there have been no pro eu meps from the UK on question time.

A cop out. We need your list to support the statement Also remember that BBC is anti brexit.

Look on the previously provided link about the legal challenge against BBC bias bring brought by a former BBC executive based on his 20 year analysis.

@Thornhill58

Crashing out? It's almost like a wish. We don't have 30 days. We don't have to do what they say. They aren't our bosses. We are leaving and if they are smart they'll play ball if not we leave without a deal.

Why should the EU play ball? It’s the UK leaving the EU? The EU can do what it wants. The UK needs to cooperate with the UK to avoid a no deal, breaching the GFA and trying to protect our economy, financial markets, supply chain and the 000’s of jobs which will be lost.

As you are not Irish, you may never have witnessed it. That doesn't mean it's not happening

I read the Article from the link you provided for the Irish Times. Mixed views expressed from its like going back to the 80s to no anti Irish at all. Those that were picked on were, surprise surprise, elderly or women, or bravery in numbers like the guy on the building site.

My view is that the emptiest tins are always the ones that make the most noise. Particularly when it is anonymous noise. So ignore anything that appears on newspaper comments.

Irish descent. Irish name. Also old. Also in N England. I certainly saw it in the bad old days. Haven't seen it recently. Yet. Bit of ignorance over recent Irish history here and there. Nothing too dreadful. Live in a big Leave area. God knows what people are saying behind closed doors.

My view is that the emptiest tins are always the ones that make the most noise.

That doesn't make it any less unpleasant when you are subjected to it.

I lived in the UK for a while in the 80's. Most people were fine but I did encounter quite a bit of anti-Irish bigotry, ranging from ignorance right through to belligerence. I deal with British people through work. Again, most people are fine but there is always an element. I know from speaking to friends and family that the expression of anti-Irish sentiment is on the increase.

So ignore anything that appears on newspaper comments.

I think newspaper comments are very telling. People may not say what they think out loud but they will generally not comment unless they feel that way. They show the mindset of certain segments of the population.

@bellinisurge - glad to hear that. As I said, my experience of british people has generally been positive. Most of the negativity I have experienced or hear about has been in response to my accent.

Parker231 Why should the EU play ball? Because they need trade and our money. No love lost or nostalgia hard cash that's what they need.
If they don't want our money they won't survive for long as they have too many mouths to feed.

Look on the previously provided link about the legal challenge against BBC bias bring brought by a former BBC executive based on his 20 year analysis.

Monthly meetings are regularly attended by at least 30 people including representatives from free-market think tanks the Adam Smith Institute and the Centre for Policy Studies, and news site Brexit Central, as well as the IEA and the TPA. A source familiar with the meetings said that it was an opportunity “for everyone to convene together and align their messaging towards the same goal” on everything from Brexit to Labour party policy announcements.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-how-uk-s-powerful-right-wing-think-tanks-and-conse/

Lets hear about that bias again without using the biased IEA

Thornhill58

Brexit kool-aid drinker I see

@Thornhill58 - Because they need trade and our money.

I thought the "they need us more than we need them" nonsense was finished with.

Yes, the EU want to trade with the UK. Yes, they want to broker a deal. However, they have been very clear that this will not happen unless the GFA is protected.

If they don't want our money they won't survive for long as they have too many mouths to feed.

Oh and would you be so kind to share a link that it's the uk money keeping the EU afloat and also could you please tell me where you get this shite

@Thornhill58 - we have an outstanding debt to pay to the EU. That is a fact. We need them more than they need us as they have each other to trade with before they will look to the UK and negotiate new trade deals. The trade deals will be struck on their terms or we’re struck with WTO terms which will kill the UK economically.

Parker really???? Educate yourself. We are are the second biggest contributor of only a handful of contributing countries. Simple maths.
I said before I'll say it again. Pointless thread as most of the people here want to remain in the EU.
After October the 31st we do not owe them anything unless we agree to have a FTA.
Tiring and pointless argument. We are leaving regarles.

Just another poster I guess you can't find your stupid links to educate yourself.
I am not the one talking shit. You are embarrassing. So ignorant 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

It costs about 34p per person a day in the UK for EU membership and we gain significantly more than that in trade, jobs and investment. There are no pluses in leaving only horrendous negatives. Breaching the GFA doesn’t bear thinking about let alone the impact onto the supply chain.