Am I the only one?

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I have been reading with interest all the threads on this board. Am I the only who cannot believe the tone, content and the sheer catastrophe thinking about this issue? Reading threads about stockpiling and falling out with family and friends over this strikes me as strange. Historically, there a many, many more events that have had a humanitarian impact on the world ... Brexit is not one of these! There may, or may not, be an economic impact of Brexit, but will people die? Get killed? Be oppressed? There needs to be some perspective here.

I must admit I don’t know much about the history of the Northern Ireland conflict, only what is easily found on the internet ( which probably covers most of it )
Can someone who knows a lot more than I do, tell me why leaving the EU will cause war in NI? I understand a hard border would create an ‘us & them’ situation again, and that the situation in NI is fragile, but can someone explain why people will be killed?
Who is saying this will happen?
Who is going to fund the war?
I honestly thought a hard border was just going to be a massive inconvenience, but if it’s going to be a lot more than that how do you know?

Oh good lord. You know very well that the people most likely to be adversely affected by your little experiment aren't people in your financial position.

OP You are not the only one.

I was more troubled by the possible implications of the National Grid failure recently.

I think it's important to know that she is just another comfortably off person who is telling people less financially comfortable than she is that it will be fiiiiiine.

This. Ditto the retired guy in Australia who was on here for a bit, the poster who works in financial services in HK or Singapore (Larry something), and various other people with no skin in the game and/or who are insulated from the impact of Brexit.

I find the lack of empathy towards people like veryvery below quite hard to stomach. It's fine to believe that Brexit won't be as bad as some make out, but dismissing the very existence of any risk for ordinary people is a sign that the poster is either very, very dishonest or very, very stupid.

There are risks in both directions and all intelligent people understand this: no deal might be much less disruptive than the government thinks (and it does think it will be disruptive) but it might be much more disruptive, especially it Brexit coincided with some other global economic shock like a coup in Hong Kong.

@tomtom1999xx - there's this thing called GFA. A miraculous thing that brought peace after terrorism devastated NI. And it relies on both parties being in the EU to work. And it was working.
And no it's not a war . It's nasty and repeated acts of terrorism. Against ordinary people.
As for who funded it- all kinds of nasty fuckers. Including money from the US donors . And anyone who loved chaos. Including the Soviet Union.
And Brexit casually fucks with it.

Veryveryverylate
I suggest you contact Diabetes UK for support instead of reading some of the hysteria on these threads.

To answer your question - from my link;

"In June the Government announced plans to launch two procurement exercises in relation to securing freight capacity.The first led by DHSC will secure an ‘express freight service’ to transport small medical supply consignments into the UK within 24 hours.This measure is designed to support the uninterrupted supply of medicines and medical products where there is an urgent need or where a suppliers’ own logistics plans experience disruption." "We have been told this ‘Dedicated Health Channel’ will have refrigeration capacity, and therefore would be able to import insulin in the event of shortages."

Some of us suspect Clav is a droid.

"I don't have any actual knowledge of the situation, but I think it will all be OK" pretty much sums up Brexit in a nutshell.

Don't forget the guy in ROI (that's Republic of Iraq for the unsuspecting ) who likewise told us that No Deal was fiiiine.

Funny how he disappeared after the ROI blooper was exposed

@Quellium, so true.

It's very good to know that special arrangements are being made for diabetics. What about all the other serious diseases where people rely on daily medication to stay alive?

But, we were told it was all going to be EASY - the cut and paste that I am responding to does not imply it's easy. It should not be necessary at all.

Leavers are very fond of telling us how 'we' managed in the war. It was easier for those with money. E.g. the moneyed were able to stretch their rations by eating out at cafes. They could make their clothing coupons go further by being able to buy better quality garments. In the end the utility scheme was brought in to address some of these issues, and also British Restaurants were set up to provide reasonably priced meals off ration.

And 'we' did not manage during the war. I am old enough to just about remember the post war years - I recall our food being very monotonous. It really took until the late fifties or thereabouts to begin to see real improvements.

Don't worry Clav it's all in the pipeline.

www.ft.com/content/016171be-4a74-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d

To put things into perspective, even the Labour Party are now saying (1st August) that they have calculated a 'no-deal' Brexit will cost families an extra £220 pa for their food shopping bill.

I appreciate that an extra £4 per week on food will be difficult for some, but I don't think it will be as much as that because Labour's last Brexit food bill included a bottle of wine and 'proper' olive oil - which are not necessarily staple food and drink items if you are very poor. A few months ago, £930 pa and £1,000 pa extra for food shopping was being quoted. Further, I'm not sure if the temporary tariff schedule reductions are included in the calculations - I doubt it - the same 'experts' at the University of Sussex said they were ignoring the temporary tariff regime in another of their recent reports. Also, market adaptions, cheaper imports from non-EU countries and a possible surplus of some food stuffs (lamb, milk...) should lower some prices as well.

We were promised the earth though - we all ought to be better off.

Theworldisfullofgs
Your link is behind a paywall but the auditors who prepared the study -

"said the amount was small in relation to the overall size of Britain’s financial sector."

Your analysis of what poverty is is just breathtaking.

Peregrina
We were promised the earth though - we all ought to be better off.

No one would ever become 'self-employed' in your world.

Big fan of self employment here. What are talking about?

From an environmental POV I would rather we still got most of our fruit and veg from Europe, plus I trust EU food standards more than US ones.

Personally, I'm also worried about how EU citizens will be able to prove their eligilbity to use the NHS for free in the event of no deal. The articles I've read were pretty vague and just said it would be 'simple'.

No one would ever become 'self-employed' in your world.

How does that non sequitur explain why we aren't talking about being better off?

bellinisurge
Big fan of self employment here.

Obvious I would have thought - leaving the EU/setting up your own business- why would you expect instant rewards? As long as the government step in with a financial cushion (which they have promised to do) - then we should be on track to do well. I have to go out now anyway.

Clavinova always goes out after spouting nonsense.

Clavinova spectacularly missing the point as usual.
The UK WAS either top 5 or 9 depending which measure of the highest economies but ENTIRELY DOWN TO CRAP UK GOVERNMENT there is poverty, inequality and a general resentment towards the government as it fails to distribute the wealth across all citizens.
Boris is randomly 'promising' improvements, but these hardly cover the cuts the Tories have made in the last 10 years let alone make an impact on the causes of inequality and deprivation which successive governments have failed to tackle since, well around the end of WW2 really.
The point is there will be no real change now, neither Tory or Labour have any real intention of getting to the root of the problem. Torys want to suck up to the high earners, Labour are too busy looking backwards and infighting to actually improve things.
All political parties are just paying lip service to the very serious fundamental problems of the UK and no one will be brave enough to really dig deep and spend on basic infrastructure in the UK. Not the fancy HS2 or whatever, but fundamental public buildings and local transport.
Brexit is simply going to make a serious problem a LOT worse.
PS, things are already shit and Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. There is at least another 10 years to go.

@Clavinova always "has to pop out" when she gets called out for her cut and paste nonsense

Brexit is going to cause civil unrest, shortages and deaths. Yes the country has been through worse, however the current population has not experienced any kind of disruption. This is going to be the biggest disaster of our lifetimes, I won’t say where DB works however he has been involved in planning locations for mass grave sites.

People thought the world was coming to an end when the power went off for a few minutes last week.

On top of the UK committing suicide, there is a reasonable possibility that Brexit will trigger a global recession, so not only will Brits hate themselves, the world will hate them too