Please can someone tell me the upsides of Brexit

[CleopatrasMum]

Apparently Dominic Raab has said there are many upsides of Brexit. The article in the Guardian that I read this in gave no details of what Raab (presumably) went on to say those upsides were.

Please can someone explain them to me?

Link to article here for what it's worth:

Raab says Brexit will bring 'huge series of upsides' for UK trade

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/06/raab-says-brexit-will-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

[Iggly]

Importing goods means we need them.

We aren’t forced to trade with the EU. We do so because we get a good deal doing so. We make that choice. By we, I mean businesses who are driven by profits - they’re making these choices.

Unless brexiteers think that the uk government/EU are making decisions about where to trade? We can trade with anyone we like (sanctions permitting), it just depends on what tariffs we pay/customs checks to go through etc - these will drive the commercial choices.

Remove ourselves from the EU = we (businesses) will then have to shop elsewhere and those prices will be higher because we chose to walk away from the best option.

We are a small country who offers very little relative to other countries.

That’s why the City of London and banking sector was the what Cameron then Theresa tried to protect. But quickly gave up as the year realised that the banks would just move. Back into the EU.

People want a UK which makes and grows it own; where we live off the fruits of our land etc.

That’s fine to have as a dream. Leaving the EU will not achieve it simply because we are in a capitalist global society.

[Janista]

Worrying about lack of food supply and lack of medical supplies is pure hysteria and project fear.

Brexit is for the next 100 years, not the next week after brexit when things are bedding down.

All essential medication and food will get through - government has confirmed trucks will be waived through.

This is almost Diana level of hysteria in the uk, whipped up by remainers trying their damnedest to stop brexit.

[Helmetbymidnight]

take our cuntry back - my cuntry, your cuntry, all the cuntries.

im so fick i dont know any benefits at all, all i can do is use sound-bites from the brexit campaign and make shiz up.

[lonelyplanetmum]

There is one huge upside.

The trade agreements we have with around 70 partner countries as members of the EU are being negotiated afresh. Obviously it's an opportunity for India etc to all seek more advantageous terms.

We have to agree to many of those terms as internationally our self imposed isolation and consequential desperation is obvious.

Therefore the UKs wealth will be more widely distributed around the world. So there's an upside for citizens of at least 70 other places...

[bellinisurge]

"Worrying about lack of food supply and lack of medical supplies is pure hysteria and project fear. "
If you don't live here, that is. Come on @Janista , why aren't you coming back?

[Catsingangs]

Upsides ? Maybe that "taking back control" thing.
When we get our 'cuntry' back, we can ban British immigrants living in Australia from voting in our elections.

[Helmetbymidnight]

aww poor janista used to think medication was all made in the uk.
whoopsie.
now hes learnt somthing, hes bizarrely pretending somehow that an agreement means all overseas medication will get to patients on time.

i think now hes come to realise there wont be benefits for average people in the uk for 100 yrs - but dont worry about him - hes in australia.

[LatteLove]

I've just as much right to comment and vote as anyone living in the uk right now.

And we have the right to view your opinions as utterly irrelevant

I’m also keen to know what we should be doing to “pull together”. Perhaps the Australian branch can enlighten us?

[larrygrylls]

Bellini,

Are you worried about not enough food to eat or absence of your favourite foods? Do you really think people won’t have enough to eat?!

As for nuclear isotopes (a fairly silly scare story) there is a global shortage of Molybdenum 99, which decays with a half life of 66 hours to Technetium 99. This does mean a delay of 66 hours will effectively double the cost, but does not mean Technetium 99 is unavailable. Equally there is an alternative supply in South Africa, and it can also be generated in hospital cyclotrons by bombarding Technetium 100 with accelerated protons (only a few thousand keV required). Finally, we have pre signed a contract to fly in the required Molybdenum in case of delays.

Isotopes with longer half lives can be stockpiled.

The ignorance on BOTH sides of this discussion amazes me. Suddenly the MN remainers are all nuclear physicists (I don’t doubt one or two are...but the majority?!)

I donate to a food bank, so I know some people, for a variety of reasons, do struggle to feed themselves and their families. However the idea that we need to stockpile food or we will be fighting in the streets over it, in some kind of Mad Max post Brexitpocalyptic UK, is hysteria.

[Iggly]

I donate to a food bank, so I know some people, for a variety of reasons, do struggle to feed themselves and their families

Some people....

It’s fucking millions BTW

[bellinisurge]

@larrygrylls , I'm worried about any kind of bumpiness at the shops due to distribution problems. I don't want to be anywhere near a supermarket while that sorts itself out and people try to deal with it. I'm worried about price spikes.
No I am not worried about the fucking zombie apocalypse. I am worried about obvious realistic things.
I thought we were better able to deal with it and then I saw a thread on here whining about there not being enough ice lollies in the shop during the hot spell. Which tells me all I need to know about some people's ability to deal with even minor shortages. I don't want to be anywhere near people getting het up about avoidable problems.

[Java2019]

And crashing out of our largest market is a good thing because

Crash out seems to be a remain support slogan. EU is a member of WTO. So UK can trade with EU after Brexit under WTO rules. If UK buys more from EU than EU buys from UK I can't see the benefit to the EU to refuse?

[Screamqueenz]

The business owners that I know who were in favour of Brexit are banking on the tories staying in power and moving further right.

They are expecting reduced regulations, reduced corporation tax and basically a more capitalist system. Not great for people who are employees, awful for people relying on benefits because the tax income will reduce and the money won't be there.

The NHS is being run into the ground so we won't miss it when it goes.

[LatteLove]

I also think someone who moved as far away from the U.K. is in no position to lecture the rest of us about “patriotism”. Which I can’t bear as a concept anyway. The way the country is being run doesn’t deserve the loyalty of its citizens

[bellinisurge]

"Crash out seems to be a remain support slogan."
Are you on glue? I'm content to leave the EU in an orderly way. I will never reconcile to No Deal. That level of stupid analysis "onlyremainershatenodeal" is shameful.

[Iggly]

If UK buys more from EU than EU buys from UK I can't see the benefit to the EU to refuse?

Please walk through the logic. Your statement demonstrates we need the EU more than it needs us. Because we are buying in goods. We don’t make them so we buy them.

They won’t “refuse” to sell us anything. We will still trade with them, just with higher tariffs.

Most likely we’ll still buy them from the EU because that’s the best source but it will cost more.

[Java2019]

No deal is not the best option, but if neither EU nor UK are prepared to revisit the WA what else can happen?

I think when both EU and UK realize that no deal is causing damage on both sides of the channel they will quickly make new deals.

[Janista]

Accusations of being "thick" are wide of the mark. I'm educated to Masters degree level.

You just don't like me pointing out the reality of so much of this section is aggressive , and abusive to anyone with a pro brexit viewpoint.

It's very telling that people who call themselves Democrats have sought to stop the largest ever vote for the last 3 years.

All the wailing in the world won't stop brexit now - the fact we are heading for no deal for good or ill is the remainers responsibility as much as anyone else. They are the ones who voted in large numbers to trigger A50, stood on platforms at general election 2 years ago to implement brexit, voted in large numbers also to reject the one and only available deal THREE times....and every other alternative including a second referendum and customs union. then bitterly complain we are heading for no deal.

Remainers have created " no deal".

Their lashing around threatening to involve the queen or other such crap is just a flailing huge impotent load of nonsense.

They have created this. They just need to admit all along they aimed to stop the implementation of the democratic vote to leave

The sooner we brexit the better and this new chapter can start.

[CherryPavlova]

LatteLove. Absolutely. Patriotism is usually thinly disguised racism.

[Iggly]

The UK is the one refusing to negotiate a new deal.

The UK came up with the backstop.

And the UK is the one who had silly red lines when entering negotiations with the EU.

The EU is a boss at negotiating. The UK was terribly naive and unfortunately run by a Conservative government who only thinks of remaining in power at all costs.

[bellinisurge]

"Accusations of being "thick" are wide of the mark. I'm educated to Masters degree level. "

Which is why you are smart enough to stay away.

[Iggly]

They have created this. They just need to admit all along they aimed to stop the implementation of the democratic vote to leave

Ah it’s so easy to deflect the blame rather than take responsibility.

Remind me, who were the cabinet members responsible for Brexit since the referendum result....




As for complaining about people trying to ensure an orderly Brexit - let me spell it out:

This is a D E M O C R A C Y

We can do those things 🤷🏻‍♀️

As someone said elsewhere on a different thread - being educated at university on a certain subject does not make you an expert at others.

[BertrandRussell]

Janista- several people have commented on your “pull together” post. Please can you tell me how? As I said, I want the best possible Brexit- what can I do to help the process of getting it?