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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 23:26

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

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Hoooo · 06/08/2019 16:43

I used write to them.

They no longer give a shit.

They have been paying attention to trump and his playbook.

I'm considering buying crypto currency

LonelyTiredandLow · 06/08/2019 16:44

She certainly does that grin, knows her audience well. Her writing generates masses of clicks for the Guardian too, no doubt. Her columns are absolute gold.
Laughing at this - we all thought the same about Boris' stint with his EU columns. At least Nicola has consistency, objectivity and facts on her side. The idea she/her ideas are more crazy than Brexit and how it came about is actually quite hilarious.

tobee · 06/08/2019 16:44

Hmm. On my last post, using the app, I was suddenly asked to log in. I'm always logged in on the app? Anyone else just had this?

I wonder if it's linked to the volley of after midnight pornographic spam posts that went crazily replicating themselves over the weekend. Those pesky Russians!

yolofish · 06/08/2019 16:49

I know this is a complete waste of time, but I sent it anyway:

Dear Damian Collins,

I am writing to ask you whether you support the idea of a 'No Deal' Brexit, and if so why?

I would also like to know how the Government intends to ensure supply of food, medication; the maintenance of workers' and womens' rights; in the event of a No Deal. Plus of course the free flow of traffic along the M20 in the event of a No Deal, and the fact that Kent needs to continue to be a working county, able to provide school/hospital/social services to all its residents, many of whom live rurally and without access to decent public transport.

Northern Ireland and the potential damage to the GFA worries me deeply.

I want to clarify: I am vehemently opposed to No Deal. I would prefer to Remain, but given the Govt incompetence over the last three years, I could even bring myself to support some sort of managed Deal which would at least provide some sort of security and provision of economic competence.

I look forward to hearing from you.

DGRossetti · 06/08/2019 16:51

By the way, what's the lowdown on Boris announcement that he doesn't consider himself bound by anything that came before ? Pretty standard fare for a new PM with a new cabinet ? Or another shift towards totalitarianism ?

RedToothBrush · 06/08/2019 16:55

Both.

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LouiseCollins28 · 06/08/2019 16:58

Hi Lonely I didn't even mention Nicola Sturgeon, not sure where that came from. Ah well.

LonelyTiredandLow · 06/08/2019 17:06

I made the error of skim reading to catch up and blurred a few posts into one - see it was about Polly but actually the same applies. Why are her ideas any more ridiculous than Boris making up wild lies about the EU regulations? She is at least coming up with ideas to satisfy 48%+ of the population.

LouiseCollins28 · 06/08/2019 17:11

No problem. TBH I find it dead hard to keep up, miss whole threads sometimes.
Re: Rats on previous page, sautee or fricassee? Grin

DGRossetti · 06/08/2019 17:11

Time for a visual metaphor Grin

Westminstenders: Promises, promises
tobee · 06/08/2019 17:13

@yolofish I'd be interested to know what happens with that DC correspondence.

tobee · 06/08/2019 17:14

In fact anyone's.

placemats · 06/08/2019 17:18

Obviously this current Government is not at all worried about breaking an international peace treaty that is the Good Friday Agreement.

So what? they petulantly say. Like teenagers congregating in a park and scaring the the toddlers.

placemats · 06/08/2019 17:20

Perhaps Damian didn't know what GFA stood for?

He is, after all, bereft of intellect, so you do have to spell it out for him.

Motheroffourdragons · 06/08/2019 17:36

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LouiseCollins28 · 06/08/2019 17:39

Yep, everyone still putting their party interest before the national interest Sad

placemats · 06/08/2019 17:41

Boris and Jeremy ought to understand that the days of willy waving have long passed them by.

howabout · 06/08/2019 17:42

Predictable mother given they spent weeks going through the charade of not helping TM.

Re Boris not being bound by past negotiations I think it is a perfectly legitimate position. TM was deposed by her Party because her WA was rejected multiple times by Parliament. The Opposition had protracted talks with TM to see if they could find a route to making the WA into an acceptable compromise for them - they couldn't. The LibDems and SNP have Never voted for or deemed the WA acceptable and yet the EU say it is the only compromise on offer. Not sure where the Unity to negotiate with an unchangeable WA would come from?

TiredTigger · 06/08/2019 17:49

Late PMK.

It is hard keeping up with these threads and that is just lurking. Your contributions are a real lifeline as no one around me in RL seems to be particularly worried (don't stress, it will sort itself out...somehow). Btw. these are people that voted remain!

tobee · 06/08/2019 17:54

I don't understand why a government of national unity = equals get out of jail free card for Johnson? Anyone care to elaborate? Surely it can only mean Johnson has to own this mess, which surely this implies Labour are happy to have the government no deal the country in order to fuck them over when shit his the fan?

TiredTigger · 06/08/2019 17:55

Oh, and a special big 'thank you' to Red. Flowers

tobee · 06/08/2019 17:56

How can anyone vote for any of these arseholes?

PostNotInHaste · 06/08/2019 18:01

My MP is a member of the Star Chamber and voted twice against the WA. I wrote before the third vote and was surprised to see he did vote for it on the third vote. I think his logic was that it would get us out of the EU which was his main aim so he voted for it reluctantly. I know he would prefer a deal but is ok with no deal if it comes to it. I need to work out my angle for next letter, the last was easier.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 06/08/2019 18:11

Rebecca Long-Bailey says Labour "wouldn't countenance a national government of unity" to deal with Brexit.

And yet only yesterday grandpa was quoted as saying.

‘We will do everything to stop No Deal’

They’ll do everything. But they won’t do that.

FFS. Now they’re channelling Meatloaf.

Still can’t believe this is actually happening.

wheresmymojo · 06/08/2019 18:13

Oh how I would love Boris Johnson to not only be the shortest reigning PM in history, but the first PM since 1834 to be dismissed by the monarch.

Just catching up - this would be particularly special as most Tories are loyal Royalists and it would possibly make their heads explode.

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