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Westminstenders: Promises, promises

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RedToothBrush · 05/08/2019 23:26

Today polling showed that there was a majority in Scotland who support Independence. The 'Boris Bounce' really isn't universal. And this is a firm sign all is not well.

There is talk tonight that Johnson is planning to stay on as PM even if he loses a vote of no confidence in order to force No Deal through and prevent a government of national unity. Instead he would call a 'people v politicians' general election to be held shortly after we'd left the EU.

Johnson's willingness to defy parliament should not be discounted and should be taken seriously. Its highly likely in one way or another. No deal is technically illegal, but its also the default. This does not seem to be fully recognised by remainers. But this is a man who lied and continued to lie. And there is every sign that he would be willing to cause some sort of constitutional crisis. Especially if he really is like Trump. This is what authoritarians do - defy convention and rip up the rule book - because the powers that are suppose to hold them to account are too weak to hold them to account. Something that Johnson has already proved time and again. He has no respect for others.

All the signs are Johnson is in fully into campaigning for a GE already. He's touring the country and ignoring Europe. He's offering money for the NHS - its open to debate whether this is new money - the optics on this are all down to what you want to believe. Those who want Johnson will believe the promise; those who don't won't.

The penny hasn't fully dropped in parliament. There is talk of a vote of no confidence being called by Labour 'at the earliest opportunity' in September. The reality is its too little too late and is unlikely to work to have the desired effect and inside will play right into Johnson's plan. The failure of the Opposition to spot what he was likely to do, has been the story of the last 3 years, where Remainers have been reactionary and unable to anticipate what would happen next. Their lack of imagination and inability to look beyond their own rhetoric has been their undoing and may cost us all in the long run.

Meanwhile in Brussels, the EU unlike our Parliament have recognised the inevitability of no deal and if Johnson wants no deal there is no way to stop it. And that he has no inclination whatsoever to negotiate.

The expectation is still that the EU will have the backstop and the Brexit Bill of £39 billion as the requirement for the opening of trade talks if we no deal.

Which leaves up shit creek.

At the same time the new trade minister Liz Truss is full on libertarian and talking to the US with this in mind.

That would mean a bonfire of rights and standards which will horrify many. That means goodbye to workers rights, food standards and data protection.

The tech giants have the ears of Washington so British ideas of a tax on them are being seen as a block on a US trade deal.

It comes as the UK has joined a US coalition to protect ships in the Gulf - something we were originally given a snub against, and led to Jeremy Hunt saying we would join a European led force. Its not clear what, who or how the US uturn has come about...

Meanwhile our summer holidays are all getting more expensive... and this is just the start of it.

This is real. This isn't a bluff.

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frumpety · 09/08/2019 20:49

If I was of a conspiratorial nature , I would wonder about a hack. As it is , I am British and therefore accept the quirks of nature and its effects on our infrastructure and transport services . Clearly this time it was the wrong sort of wind ( probably foreign) blowing against the generators at slightly the wrong angle ? That sounds feasible Smile

NoWordForFluffy · 09/08/2019 20:58

Well, it's possible to have the wrong kind of snow / leaves, so why not wind?

bellinisurge · 09/08/2019 20:58

@frumpety , the cockup explanation is the most likely in my experience.

placemats · 09/08/2019 21:00

It's nothing whatsoever to do with the lower than usual Jet Stream, that is incidentally pushing hot air into the Arctic. Ignore Chanel 4 news. Global warming is a myth and we can all get by on lentil pie and porridge. With the odd chicken for Christmas.

Hail all ye the wonderful Fanny Craddock.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p05jvgzw/fanny-cradock-cooks-for-christmas-series-1-1-your-christmas-bird

Socksontheradiator · 09/08/2019 21:02

@cherin I bought a wind up radio/torch/phone charger from Amazon for about £20.

DGRossetti · 09/08/2019 21:02

Why did two generators go at the same time?

  1. When was the last time they were soak tested ?
  2. The infrastructure they are feeding is too big I=V/R - lower R is, the bigger I needs to be
DGRossetti · 09/08/2019 21:07

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Westminstenders: Promises, promises
Hazardtired · 09/08/2019 21:10

Eek at power shortages! Hope singing and Mr singing are ok they live in SE.

I have wind up radio thanks to hooo (I think) it works well. Got a mini solar panel on it to. 15 quid.

I'm debating a camping stove.... seems a bit of a commitment considering I'll never go camping. Have looked at bqs as I might use that anyway.

frumpety · 09/08/2019 21:26

I think the thing that worries me is that the weather is fairly normal mid to late Summer holiday weather, and I speak from bitter experience ! This isn't storm pick a name from A-Z , this is common or garden British Summer time 'well that's the Fete/country show/BBQ wrecked (again) weather. Doesn't exactly bode well does it ?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 21:41

I read that Javid visited the National Grid today
Maybe his brain short-circuited something ? Grin

Infrastructure / utilities hacking may become a common weapon as nations jostle for power:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48675203

Russia has said it is "possible" that its electrical grid is under cyber-attack by the US.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said reports that US cyber-soldiers had put computer viruses on its electrical grid was a "hypothetical possibility".

His comments came in response to a New York Times (NYT) story which claimed US military hackers were targeting Russian power plants..*

In its report the newspaper said American "code" had been deployed inside many elements of Russia's power network.
....
Kremlin spokesman.... said "vital areas" of Russia's economy were under continuous attack, but it had managed to counter the intrusions so they did no damage HmmConfused
.....
U.S. Escalates Online Attacks on Russia’s Power Grid

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/politics/trump-cyber-russia-grid.html

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 09/08/2019 21:41

. No power cuts at SingingBabooshka Towers so far thankfully.

We are semi-prepared - camping stove, battery operated lamp, candles, wood burning stove, wood, coal, big duvets, lots of books, power packs. I really need to make sure it’s all accessible - no idea where most of it is (I can locate the stove and wood currently. Anything else may be a challenge)

Anyway, pretended to escape the madness earlier by driving fifteen minutes up the coast where my phone is convinced we’re in France - which is just visible on the horizon. I like going there to see the message pop up on the screen.

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LonelyTiredandLow · 09/08/2019 21:44

US couldn't have accidentally hacked us aka friendly fire? Or are we so linked via bots to Russia that we have got the bug due to them being in UK systems? Confused

We are off on our holiday (NE UK) tomorrow and I am really hoping the motorways aren't affected...it's a long enough drive as it is!

Hoooo · 09/08/2019 21:46

😁

BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 22:18

re question upthread about extension:

  • If Corbyn calls & wins a VoNC: then afaik it would be difficult in practice to attach anything watertight to this that would force BJ to either request an extension or hold a GE before 31 October.

He could circumvent or even ignore such an attempt.
MPs would probably have to choose their own PM - within the 14 day period after winning a VoNC - to do this

  • If BJ calls for a GE: then under the FTPA, he requires a ⅔ majority and hence MPs CAN attach conditions to letting the GE happen,

e.g. that the GE be held before Brexit Day and / or that BJ requests an extension from the EU

If they've any sense, they won't trust him and won't agree to dissolve Parliament until he first obtains the extension

Unfortunately, Corbyn - and much of Labour - only want power and hence a GE.
So he probably won't bother about setting conditions - but maybe his MPs will demand them

  • Another possibility - something like the Letwin-Cooper bill, i.e. a fast-tracked piece of legislation which compels BJ to seek an extension if no deal has been agreed by a certain date However, this would require great skill in drafting the bill and also require Corbyn's full cooperation, which is uncertain
placemats · 09/08/2019 22:19

We are semi-prepared - camping stove, battery operated lamp, candles, wood burning stove, wood, coal, big duvets, lots of books, power packs. I really need to make sure it’s all accessible - no idea where most of it is (I can locate the stove and wood currently. Anything else may be a challenge)

You are being ironic and witty and not serious I hope?

placemats · 09/08/2019 22:22

I've got three windows that face south.

I also do boxing as a past time.

I've also watched how to pick locks on you tube.

I think I'm sorted.

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 23:20

The Jared O'Mara saga continues

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-49281645
Jared O'Mara: Who runs an absent MP's office?

Gareth Arnold publicly quit his role in July by controversially posting his resignation statement on Mr O'Mara's Twitter account. However, two weeks later, Mr Arnold is still in the job, telling me he has "extended his notice period".

People in Sheffield Hallam have complained casework is not being dealt with.

Sinead Parkinson, a member of the Hallam Constituents Facebook group, told the BBC: "You would be hard pressed to find somebody who says they have been working in a positive way with the office of Jared O'Mara. They haven't been. Cases aren't being dealt with."

Not only that, constituents have told the BBC they have been blocked on social media by the MP's account and they have been responded to with memes.

Mr Arnold paints a different picture to me. "Is it a traditional set-up for a constituency office? No, not at all. Is it a constituency office that does manage to get casework moving, get some wins for constituents, represents them? Absolutely, yes."

However, the MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, Angela Smith, tells us Hallam constituents have started to call her office for help but she has had to turn them away.

"I just don't know what people in Hallam are doing if they've got a really severe problem," she said.

There are also questions about Mr Arnold's conduct. He has admitted to the Victoria Derbyshire programme he had blocked constituents on Mr O'Mara's Twitter account.

And

I ask Mr Arnold about who's in charge in the constituency, considering the MP is not around.

"People have joked to me that I was basically the MP for Sheffield Hallam because Jared was so, erm - not here basically… just the idea that someone would say that horrified me."

Mr Arnold then, almost boastfully, tells me he has not been cleared by the parliamentary authorities to work in the office.

"I am running a constituency office on behalf of an MP without the required security clearance from the parliamentary authorities. It's crazy isn't it?"

The BBC has confirmed this. Mr Arnold also says he is accessing and using Mr O'Mara's parliamentary email account.

Required security measures for MPs' staff include an ID check and baseline personnel security standard checks undertaken by the Members' Staff Verification Office.

A House of Commons spokesperson told us: "Any member of staff with access to the parliamentary network and/or estate has to be security cleared.

"Members of Parliament must not share passwords, or allow anyone else to use devices on which they are currently logged on to parliamentary accounts and services."

This raises serious questions, as Mr Arnold has access to sensitive data about Mr O'Mara's constituents. He is also technically able to perform political tasks, such as table written questions in the House of Commons and sign Early Day Motions.

We were keen to understand who is accountable in dysfunctional offices, when the MP is unwell or otherwise not able to fulfil his or her role.

We asked the Speaker's Office for an interview and they replied: "The Speaker does not have any powers over MPs in relation to staff. The Speaker neither employs MPs nor their staff. There is a process for complaints to be made, via the Independent Complaints and Grievance Scheme."

So what are the people of Sheffield Hallam supposed to do now? Jodi Garth, who set up the Hallam Constituents Facebook group, is frustrated there appears to be no recourse.

"There isn't anybody. There is no higher power than him because you can't complain to his party because there's not a party," she said.

"Westminster doesn't really have a system in place. The best thing I found was that he's responsible to his constituents but he's been blocking people on Twitter, he's not been responding to emails so he's not answering to us because he's flat-out refusing to answer.

"And I feel like in so many ways the system needs changing so that if another constituency ends up in this situation, they can do something about it because all we've been able to do is call on him to resign."

So-called recall legislation only allows a by-election to be triggered if 10% of constituents sign a petition after an MP is sentenced to a prison term or if they have been suspended by Parliament for at least 21 sitting days.

And

We also contacted other parliamentary authorities, including the Commissioner on Standards, the House of Commons Commission and the Committee on Standards. They all said it would not be appropriate to offer comment on individual cases.

However, we understand there is currently no system in place to help constituents in this situation.

Angela Smith acknowledges this. "Parliament needs to look again at a situation where an office just becomes dysfunctional," she said.

"We don't have a blueprint for what an MP's service should look like.

"The Jared O'Mara situation does beg the question about whether or not we do need to agree minimum standards and what the powers of Parliament should be."

The situation in Sheffield Hallam may be unique at the moment, but at a time of political turmoil, with more MPs quitting their parties and with new parties emerging, it seems that this may be an issue that Parliament needs to look at

This is a car crash.

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 23:28

Disgraceful
If O'Mara had any sense of duty to his constituents, he would have resigned as an MP long ago.
He's still there, so he obviously hasn't

BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 23:30

In contrast, an MP who has really sacrificed to do her duty, facing many scary online threats:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/08/man-jailed-for-terrifying-threats-to-heidi-allen-over-brexit

A pro-Brexit former Royal Marine has been jailed for 24 weeks for threatening the Remainer MP Heidi Allenn^ online

tobee · 09/08/2019 23:31

Anyone heard any whisperings from the Tory mps that Johnson brutally discarded for not supporting him? Hunt, Mordaunt et al? Or they entirely happy to have been shat on by the dear leader? Happy to stay party loyal?

BigChocFrenzy · 09/08/2019 23:37

All that and corporal punishment too ...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/27/african-war-veterans-paid-less-than-white-peers-will-not-get-uk-payout

soldiers drawn from Britain’s African colonies were paid an end-of-war bonus that was calibrated not only to rank and length of service but also ethnicity.
White soldiers from those colonies received a gratuity worth triple that offered to black troops.
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He described corporal punishment at the hands of superiors, despite the British armyy^ officially having outlawed the practice decades earlier. “We would give them the palms of our hands to be beaten,” he said. “Afterwards, even an attempt to hold something would be hard.”

RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 23:41

O'Mara has 'promised to quit after the summer recess'

After he's got another month's pay.

How this man will ever find another job, particularly in Sheffield is beyond me, so this lack of responsibility isn't exactly helping him in the long run.

In the meantime he's screwing up the lives of the most vulnerable in his community without a second thought.

The rules do really need looking at after this though, as it's utterly disgusting.

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RedToothBrush · 09/08/2019 23:44

Anyone heard any whisperings from the Tory mps that Johnson brutally discarded for not supporting him? Hunt, Mordaunt et al? Or they entirely happy to have been shat on by the dear leader? Happy to stay party loyal?

Mordaunt tweeted to the effect of it wasn't for her to question why but to merely accept his leadership loyally as that's what good command was based on.

Basically authoritarian drivel which was army like (remember she was defence sec).

I suspect Arnold has just fucked off on holiday and not given it a second thought.

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tobee · 09/08/2019 23:47

Hmmm!

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