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To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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elprup · 29/07/2019 22:29

Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

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kingsassassin · 30/07/2019 17:25

Some people do know and have been repeatedly saying that no deal is a very very bad idea. The people who know they don't know are sitting with their fingers in their ears going

glitterfarts · 30/07/2019 17:27

I can imagine all the social problems, and shortages. I am wondering if there is a perceived benefit to leave other than keeping foreigners out. Speaking as one born outside the EU area, it seems many are hoping for a loss of free movement. Do they not realise the same will apply to them? They won't be able to freely go to Europe. They won't be able to freely live in Spain or France, etc.

I can't think of a single advantage of leaving. Not one. Can someone enlighten me please?

MaxNormal · 30/07/2019 17:34

I'm not sure that many of the Leave voters would have a great deal of interest in living in another country, tbh. That's seen as the preserve of the "urban elite" that they have now supposedly given a bloody nose to.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 17:34

@DorisDaysDadsDogsDead thank you Smile

oatmilk4breakfast · 30/07/2019 17:38

The people who did travel the world before the EU? I would bet that they had money. A lot more than the working and middle classes who do so freely now. I’m interested in this question so before you shout me down I’m just going to say I’ll come back after I’ve done some research to find out if I’m right or wrong!

Cosentyx · 30/07/2019 17:47

1.22 to 1 USD. So confidence in the pound is running high . . . said no one ever.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 17:48

I did but I'm pretty low income. We've done it in our family since WWII because either our jobs required it, we have a history of being immigrants and refugees or we were prepared to do it despite not having much and we didn't mind roughing it. Everyone in my class at school thought it weird and impossible. Their kids can do it because of FOM and bilateral agreements between EU and third countries (even if that is just a slightly shorter queue at the airport) Their grandkids won't get the same opportunities.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 30/07/2019 18:01

mummmy2017 and someone who can dismiss the GFA with a snooty comment about things being renegotiated, as if it's anything like that simple is a bright as a blackout!

You voted to Leave. If we Leave with No Deal, it's what was voted for, as the vote was to Leave.

The will of the people they keep blathering on about? That's you, and everyone else who voted to Leave.

The fact you didn't understand, educate yourself or consider the implications, isn't anyone else's fault.

This is what you voted for, why aren't you happy?

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 18:08

I am happy.
I don't know what trade deals we will end up with neither do any of you.
GTA would not be the same in 1000 years as now, it is not set in stone.
Rather a lot of people seem to know they wanted to no longer be in the EU. So do you think every single one of them knew
nothing and just stuck a cross in a box?

CardinalSin · 30/07/2019 18:10

Why not? That's exactly what you did!

InTheHeatofLisbon · 30/07/2019 18:12

GTA would not be the same in 1000 years as now, it is not set in stone

GFA, and I think you'll find it was legally binding and took an enormous amount of compromise, humility and effort to look forwards on all sides (especially the Irish nationalists). You don't know anything about it, that much is clear.

When the civil war starts again, and it will if there is no deal, remember this.

So do you think every single one of them knew nothing and just stuck a cross in a box?

Yes. I do. Nothing I've seen or heard since has given me cause to believe otherwise.

I am happy

Well, if nothing else, I fully understand the phrase "ignorance is bliss" now.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 18:13

No , I wanted us to go, no deal from day one.
I knew we would not become like Africa, but because I don't think like you, in your opinion I am wrong.

InTheHeatofLisbon · 30/07/2019 18:17

No , I wanted us to go, no deal from day one.

Fair enough, that's your choice. Will you take responsibility for the impact your choice has on people and on the breakup of the UK?

I knew we would not become like Africa

Wtf are you talking about? That makes absolutely no sense so I can't reply.

because I don't think like you, in your opinion I am wrong

You are. You have demonstrated a lack of basic knowledge, of politics, of recent history, of economics and of reality.

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 30/07/2019 18:27

Do you expect millions to live in tents with no jobs feed by Oxfam

Oh dear, someone needs to skip the adverts I think. What do you actually know about Africa?

With no assets just the clothes on their backs

Yeah that's happening in the UK, right now. Food banks? Homeless hostels? People living on the streets? People losing their homes?

How do you not know this?????

Because that is how you forecast post Brexit.

No, I don't. Nobody does. What is being forecast, widely, is recession (again), food bank and homeless services skyrocketing, access to certain medications becoming all but impossible, the breaking of the GFA leading to the return of civil war, and the breakup of the UK in the event of possible Scottish independence and Irish reunification.

We said that, you heard tents in Africa (?????)

If we are not going to end up like Africa, then the chance to leave is worth it.

Genuinely the stupidest comment I've ever read when it comes to Brexit, which doesn't set a high bar!

SaskiaRembrandt · 30/07/2019 18:33

Africa...
Do you expect millions to live in tents with no jobs feed by Oxfam.

You have a massively uniformed view of Africa. It's an entire - and very diverse - continent, not a single impoverished country.

MaxNormal · 30/07/2019 18:35

I'm from Africa. Would you like to specify which country you are referring to in terms of living in tents being fed by Oxfam?

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 18:37

Twist it any way you like, but we will not end up with tent cities.
Being fixated on the worse possible outcome is like a cult in this Echo chamber.
It is not a view shared everywhere in RL.
Why should I not place faith in people who do have the reports, who do seem to think it won't be the death of the UK.
The MPs could have elected a new PM who would pull Article 50.... Did they do that...
No they went for two men who said they were taking us out....

MaxNormal · 30/07/2019 18:38

Why should I not place faith in people who do have the reports, who do seem to think it won't be the death of the UK.

I'd love to see these reports! Would you mind posting the links?

SaskiaRembrandt · 30/07/2019 18:38

The Tory party elected Johnson, not MPs generally. Or maybe that is what happened in Africa ...

TheElementsSong · 30/07/2019 18:41

I see we're going for the impressively high bar of "no refugee tent cities" - rather a far cry from the promised Sunlit Uplands Grin. And we've already had, from various Brexiteers, "better than Mad Max," "some of us survived the War," and "not as bad as the Black Death."

Why not display some real BeLeaver ambition and go for the really impressive high bar of "The Sun hasn't gone red giant and swallowed up our planetary orbit"?

InTheHeatofLisbon · 30/07/2019 18:44

Why should I not place faith in people who do have the reports, who do seem to think it won't be the death of the UK.

Because they're not Scottish or Irish? Because they're pro Brexit politicians who have an agenda? Because they're talking shite?

Max asked a question about Africa, in response to your ignorant and offensive statement. Why haven't you replied?

Or have you just had a quick Google and realised that Africa isn't just a mass of tents?

SaskiaRembrandt · 30/07/2019 18:45

Why should I not place faith in people who do have the reports, who do seem to think it won't be the death of the UK.

Who are these people? I know they aren't from business, finance, the NHS, the armed forces, education or the transport industry - so who are these mysterious experts you trust so much?

prettybird · 30/07/2019 18:46

I'm also originally from Africa - we were well off and privileged where we were from Smile (left for political reasons, not because we were starving Wink).

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 18:49

Are you telling me that in Africa everyone has a brick home, running water, access to Doctors.... Yes I am generalizing, but I am trying to make it clear we are not headed that way, so will not be search to name a place so you can tear the answer apart...

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