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To be terrified of no deal Brexit

655 replies

elprup · 29/07/2019 22:29

Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

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bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 15:22

@mummmy2017 , I'm sure Spain would love the return of Gibraltar. And yet Spain didn't veto WA.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 15:30

Spain agreed to go ahead as they were promised the Gibraltar issue was being pushed onto trade.
They even said they didn't agree but had voted to press forward....

timeforakinderworld · 30/07/2019 15:33

We are on a rollercoaster that won't stop till we are out, as there is no way to stop...
Why do you think it will stop when we're out? That's just the beginning

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 15:34

I can't wait for your fantastic insight on NI. It's just around the corner, I'm sure.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 15:45

No idea at all on NI.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 15:49

And yet you think it's ok to plummet off a cliff over something you have no idea about?

Tullow2016 · 30/07/2019 15:55

According to some remain supporters the entire UK goes over the cliff in the event of no deal?

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 16:01

All our legal agreements stop when we no Deal. Everything.
Even if that makes absolutely no difference at all, do you not consider destroying GFA a plunge into the unknown? Seriously. Have e you not been paying any attention.
Border in the sea/NI as a special economic zone and we can Brexit with few insurmountable problems. Anything else? Insanity.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 16:05

Yes, but other Legal Agreements will then replace them.
You can amend an agreement, it happens everyday......

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 16:07

You clearly no nothing about setting up international trade agreements. I hate to spoil your fantasy but they don't happen by magic nor do they happen overnight.

twofingerstoEverything · 30/07/2019 16:10

And yet you think it's ok to plummet off a cliff over something you have no idea about?
Bellini, mummy has said many times that when she voted, she had no idea and had given no thought to how Leaving could be implemented, but that she trusted the politicians to 'do' it on her behalf.

timeforakinderworld · 30/07/2019 16:12

You can amend an agreement, it happens everyday......
Do you know how long it took to negotiate trade deals? Do you really think we'll be able to do it all by October? With the summer holidays just starting that's just under 2 months. Why do you think we are suddenly going to be able to sort this?

twofingerstoEverything · 30/07/2019 16:12

To use an analogy, mummy voted NOT to have shepherds pie for dinner and if she gets a plateful of sick instead then so be it.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 16:12

Well she and the other nihilist in Downing Street will get everything they wish for.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 16:18

That is why we use WTO.
And it was the EU who said no agreements till after you leave..
How do we know what we can do if TM agree to no deals till afterwards.. .

Jocasta2018 · 30/07/2019 16:29

@Sorority

I'm based in Surrey. I have also seen signs in pharmacies in central London. I guess it's people stocking up if they can get an extra prescription.

bellinisurge · 30/07/2019 16:43

Yes@mummmy2017 , with every post you show how much you know about this subject.

Tullow2016 · 30/07/2019 16:59

Wonder if Mummy and Bellini are going for a coffee together later?

SansaSnark · 30/07/2019 17:02

If we default to "WTO" rules, then any imports from the EU would be subject to the same checks and regulations as imports from elsewhere in the world. This will cause massive delays and backlogs at ports (for stuff going in and out).

We import loads of essential stuff- like medicines, food, water purification chemicals, raw materials for basic necessities such as toilet paper and so on. Estimates seem to suggest we'd be importing about 10% of our current daily capacity due to these delays. This will lead to all sorts of shortages and problems.

There are already lots of people struggling to afford food in the UK for all sorts of reasons. If prices go up or there are shortages, some of these people will be very hungry indeed. Even people with money will face problems if there is nothing to buy in their local shops. This has the potential to lead to a lot of crime and civil unrest.

Long term, I'm sure we would find solutions, but how long are people actually willing to deal with food shortages for?

Meanwhile, lots of businesses rely on free trade and freedom of movement at the moment. If a business making cars in the UK uses parts from Europe and then exports some of the cars back to Europe to sell- well, after Brexit it will just be easier to have a factory in the EU and bring whatever cars they can sell into the UK, meaning job losses.

Loads of industries, from farming, to horse racing, to manufacturing, to financial services, to pharmaceuticals rely on the easy movement of goods, services, people and livestock between the UK and rEU. Some of these businesses- perhaps just the smaller ones at first with less of a financial buffer, will go under. That's lots of people losing their livelihoods. Multi-nationals may well decide it makes more sense to move production or offices or whatever to other countries. That's more job losses and loss of tax revenue for the government.

If people are losing their jobs at a time of price rises and potential shortages of some goods, that's pretty problematic for all sorts of reasons.

If we no deal, some people will lose their jobs, and due to that will lose their homes. There will be a higher proportion of pretty desperate people around. I'm sure anyone with half a brain can work out what the consequences of that will be...

MaxNormal · 30/07/2019 17:04

mummy I am really losing the thread of what you're saying. How could the EU have said no agreements till after we leave when they literally agreed the withdrawal agreement?

glitterfarts · 30/07/2019 17:04

Why can't they have a quick snap referendum, of remain or leave with no deal? And preferably a compulsory vote. Only a quarter of the country voted for leave, quarted voted remain, half didn't vote at all from memory.

Everyone needs to be clear what no deal will mean - I am not.

Does anyone have a document/link that lists all benefits and consequences of no deal?

I am self employed in a business reliant on the exchange rate to a degree. We've had a massive downturn, hugely affected.
Seriously considering moving our business overseas and actively planning to do so.

timeforakinderworld · 30/07/2019 17:11

Does anyone have a document/link that lists all benefits and consequences of no deal?
Here's a list of the benefits:

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Lonelycrab · 30/07/2019 17:19

Sansa excellent clear, concise description of the the problems with “just” going to wto and no dealing. You can’t make it much clearer than that.

mummmy2017 · 30/07/2019 17:21

bellinisurge.
Someone who knows they don't know , is far brighter than someone who won't accept they don't know...

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 30/07/2019 17:23

Someone who knows they don't know, but doesn't give a shit about finding out about it and pontificates at people who do know about it, is pretty much stupider than practically anyone...