To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

I’m just pissed that a very small amount of people will make money but most of us will be worse off

I’m amazed how politicians can sell us off so cheaply

Happens around the World, particularly in the lesser developed Countries.

If USA thinks they are subsidizing NHS why do they continue to do so? Nobody is forced to sell.

have said they will not support a trade agreement which breaks the GFA (removing the backstop will do that)

Maybe Johnson's strategy is;

UK leaves EU without a trade deal

UK then has to follow WTO rules

NI (which is UK territory) then trades under WTO which does not require border control

ROI as member of EU has to follow EU rules and check goods supplied from countries outside the EU, in this case NI, before they enter the EU territory. At present there does not appear to be a technological solution to do this without some form of infrastructure at the border.

Any form of border control between ROI and NI would represent a breach of the GFA, but such breach would be the result of action taken by ROI and EU as opposed to UK.

If that's his fucking game he's even more of a treacherous wanker than I thought.

Tbe WTO requires you to control you economic area. That's not EU rule ffs. Which means we have to too.

If the UK chooses not to impose any order or controls at its land border, then it can't impose any restrictions at any border - so that includes all the sea ports, the channel tunnel and the airports.

It would have to let everything in without checks or tariffs.

Removal of Tariffs are only one element of a FTA; NTBs are another - and are actually the more time consuming part.

This really is International Trade 101 Basics

open for one has to be open for all isn’t that WTO

Parity is a key element in WTO.

Think of all the junk that will be loaded onto tankers and shipped over. Standards gone

Only if the receiving country wants to trade in such junk. WTO members are not obliged to trade with each other just for the sake of it. Has to be goods that both receivers want.

If ROI is afraid of junk, or anything else that does not meet EU standards, being channeled or smuggled through NI into ROI then they will have to control it somehow that does not affect the GFA.

This is why I think Johnson has pulled a fast one by saying no deal. He can pass the border issue/GFA back to ROI and EU.

Don't be so silly @Tullow2016 , tbe junk will come to us through our desperate borders and we are stuck with it. If Johnson breaks, as he put it yesterday " the spirit of GFA" he is fucked.

If the UK chooses not to impose any order or controls at its land border, then it can't impose any restrictions at any border - so that includes all the sea ports, the channel tunnel and the airports

So that prevents NI from trading with ROI I guess? In which case UK would not be showing preferential treatment as not trading with ROI?

Don't be so silly @Tullow2016 , tbe junk will come to us through our desperate borders and we are stuck with it. If Johnson breaks, as he put it yesterday " the spirit of GFA" he is fucked.

The NI situation is all nonsense. All parties have said that even in the event of a no-deal Brexit which now seems likely, there would be no hard border in Ireland between it and the north.

Easy to say from the other side of the world @Janista. Your faith in this mockery of a government is greater than that of most of the UK population.

@Janista says "The NI situation is all nonsense. All parties have said that even in the event of a no-deal Brexit which now seems likely, there would be no hard border in Ireland between it and the north.". Proof of it were needed that she knows fuck all. But she lives in Australia so she has useful input 😂

The reason that the US "hates" the EU - and it has been explicitly and open about it - is that it can't just say to the EU, "Here are our conditions, take them or leave them"

....that's exactly what the US will do with the UK

Just think of all the lead paint toys in time for Christmas

Why would lead paint toys turn up a time borders if nobody had ordered them? No obligation to buy goods that you don’t want just for the sake of trade.

In the event of no deal on 31 Oct 2019 then all legal agreements between EU and UK with respect to trade cease and UK (including NI as part of UK territory) has to trade on WTO with those countries that wish to trade with UK. No obligation for any country to trade with another.

ROI would be entitled to refuse to trade with UK

....that's exactly what the US will do with the UK

Which knackers NI too

There will always be unscrupulous business buying shit to palm off here onto the unsuspecting, that is why, tullow. Current laws help protect us.