To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

"Why would lead paint toys turn up a time borders if nobody had ordered them? "
If we drop our standards this will happen.

I'm on a few mid West homesteading FB groups. They regularly alert each other to food standard problems in US.

The bbc’s report of what could happen further to a no deal Brexit was very much reassuring.

the main concern seems to be food prices and house prices but the report wasn’t scaremongering at all and actually helped reassure that things won’t be as bad as some people are worrying about

The bbc’s report of what could happen further to a no deal Brexit was very much reassuring

the main concern seems to be food prices and house prices but the report wasn’t scaremongering at all and actually helped reassure that things won’t be as bad as some people are worrying about

Saw that. The 10 points.

After seeing how the BBC used propaganda during IndyRef I'll take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt

I think "it's fiiiiiiine" scores some Brexit bingo points.

To Bellini

Well I am convinced that it will not be the earthquake that will result in mass overnight destruction of the UK. Survived two world wars and came out okay.

Even the return of Noel Edmonds to TV did not do any damage.

Well I am convinced that it will not be the earthquake that will result in mass overnight destruction of the UK. Survived two world wars and came out okay.

You lack ambition and faith. How disappointing. You should express confidence that, so long as it will not be less bad than the sun going red giant and swallowing our planetary orbit, Brexit can be defined as a success.

@TheElementsSong , surely there are many many Brexit bingo points in @Tullow2016 's post.

My Remain voting mum who was actually a teenager in WWII (and who herself has a firefighter uncle who was killed on duty in the Blitz ) would beg to differ with that load of tripe.

Survived two world wars and came out okay.

Grow up. You didn't survive any world wars.

The millions of young men slaughtered in WW1 didn't survive and furthemore this blighted the chances of a whole generation of women unable to find husbands and have families of their own.

As for WW2 - it was one thing to fight an evil dictator, after the upper and upper middle classes happily appeased him throughout the decade. Which evil dictator are you fighting now?

Eventually the horrors of WW2 did beget the welfare state which brought in the NHS and a then a massive council house building programme; it also laid the foundations of the EU. All of which the right wing who want Brexit most are more than happy to see destroyed and you are going along with.

To Cacco/Bellini

Okay. Jokes time over. UK has been in decline since mid 80s I think courtesy of de-industrialisation under the thatcher regime. The shift to service economy seemed to favour London and South East and the rest of England was left out to pasture.

On paper UK has 4 states, but I would say 5. The 5th being a region between Watford and Scotland known as middle and northern England. That area had a large leave support and may have been a way of making themselves heard as opposed to “we want out of EU”.

Bellini suggestion of NI being a special economic zone I thought was optimum as no matter what form Brexit takes it likely that the UK will break up. Scotland goes independent and NI reunites with ROI under EU rules so NI being a special economic zone would have been a head start to the inevitable outcome.

No deal seems to be too quick a change, but Johnson seems to be saying that’s all is left and according to some press it is supported by Trump. That’s what makes me think there is a strategy up their sleeves?

I have worked in lesser developed countries where governments have sold their country for personal gain, but never thought that UK might one day follow.

My Remain voting mum who was actually a teenager in WWII

Ditto with my Remain voting MIL - who was old enough to be drafted in to do war work, but escaped the call up because she married young.

UK has been in decline since mid 80s I think courtesy of de-industrialisation under the thatcher regime.

It's been in decline since before them. I lived and worked in a textile town in the sixties and the factories then were going bankrupt, losing out to far east competition. Thatcher most certainly didn't help anyone though, but was a decade or two later.

Thatcher used the proceeds from the North Sea oil bonanza and selling the family silver (privatising national assets) to fund tax cuts and to build the financial and services sector in London and the South East.

She didn't care about the "testing ground" (Scotland) and the de-industrialisation of the North anywhere North of the Watford Gap - after all, they didn't vote Conservative

And yes, Bliar could have reversed a lot of that in his years in power. But didn't.

I lived and worked in a textile town in the sixties and the factories then were going bankrupt, losing out to far east competition

Maybe due to 70s problems such as Oil Price crisis, strikes, winter of discontent nobody noticed the decline had started in the 60s and had continued into the 70s. The 80s were falklands, miners strike, stock market crash which may again have made the decline go unnoticed?

@Tullow2016 if Scotland wants to be independent (and that is an "if") why should you stop it. "If" NI wants to reunite with Ireland - and the GFA prevents that without majority consent in NI - why do you think you have the right to stop it. Are you so afraid of asking the People what their will is?

The decline was most certainly noticed during the Sixties - I remember myself having a holiday job in a bakers shop and seeing the people queueing up at the factory gates when the Administrators were there to dish out what wages could be paid. Whole families were put out of work; we were the sick man of Europe.

There was also a miners strike during the 1970s which caused Ted Heath to call an early election with the slogan 'Who Governs Britain?' The reply from the electorate was 'Not you mate.'

The country bankrupt itself during the War and then spent the post war years trying to hang onto its Empire, instead of trying to rebuild.

This further hastened the decline as manufacturing suffered due to a lack of investment.

Tell me about it. The two textile factories that I worked in had antiquated machinery and poor management. They did in fact have a very good workforce who didn't strike. They could have invested and retrained and reskilled people, and switched to making more upmarket products instead of trying to compete with volume producers in south east Asia.

The holiday job in the shop I referred to - the factory was opposite and I have never forgotten seeing the long queue of people waiting all day for some wages.

A little known fact - and one that was certainly contrary to what I was taught led to believe at school - was that the UK got far more Marshall Aid than Germany and France (in fact, it got the most by far of any single country - nearly as much as France and Germany combined ).

However, unlike France and Germany (and the other European countries), who used it for the purpose for which it was intended (to rebuild infrastructure and industry), the UK used it to try to hold on to the Empire and to support sterling

To Bellini

Any of the 4 members of the UK can choose to leave the UK. Been given the choice seems to be the obstacle. Cameron gambled on a remain victory when he said it was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Obviously didn’t want people to be a second chance if it was the result he wanted.

Scotland are entitled to another referendum under the terms of the 2014 referendum regarding significant changes. There is an argument that until Brexit happens there is no significant change, but even without that caveat I think it would be better for Scotland to wait until the outcome of Brexit is known then they know exactly what they are choosing when deciding whether or not to remain in UK. Counter argument is that if Brexit is delayed over and over they could wait a long time.

My interpretation of GFA (yes I have read it) is that any referendum on reunification of the Island of Ireland has to be agreed by both NI and ROI. Westminster are not permitted to intervene. Again maybe better to see the outcome of Brexit before deciding?

Deal or no deal the UK will separate I think. Safety in numbers has then gone. Can the existing 4 member states be better off individually compared to being in the same union?

If you accept that the four nations have the right to self determination then what is your problem with my suggested Brexit solution?