To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

Tullow it’s nothing to do with the taste of the chicken.

It’s how it’s manufactured. They chlorinate so they don’t have to bother about cleanliness.

There was a program on a channel 4 recently and it was horrific. Ok probably biased against chlorinated chicken - but still not what I want for this country.

Life expectancy for males in the UK is 79 I believe

Correct. I hit the zero key which is next to the 9 key

Tullow I am not talking about food standards, although I believe they are important. The EU trades in a 'protectionist' manner as does the USA (USA possibly more so at the moment ), take away that protection by leaving the EU suddenly and UK farming will be in serious trouble. If we left in a sensible orderly fashion the farming industry, along with all others, might have more of a chance and at least time to formulate plans and adapt to change. 90 days doesn't give them that time.

Ok probably biased against chlorinated chicken - but still not what I want for this country

As a previous poster has advise the NHS buy a large amount of drugs from USA. So their standards can't be that bad?

This seems entirely appropriate for the Brexitannian Sunlit Uplands:

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.

Not sure what Drugs have to do with food safety standards?

Anyway I have got my well thumbed copy of self sufficiency for dummies, a cheeky bet on Boris revoking, and more tinned legumes than you can point a shitty stick at, so I'm all good

Got to go and do a few hours at work to counteract the too many patients not enough staff to see them scenario

Tullow, the problem is that the UK as a v large purchaser (probably the largest) negotiates a fair price which drives down the price for everyone

Surely that is a good thing?

Even if NHS can push prices down don't the suppliers have to pass the NHS standards before they can become an approved supplier regardless of price.

A competitive market with the US is a good thing - not one dominated by them.

Doesn’t matter how much things cost if we have no money to pay for them.

And if we import everything because it is cheaper elsewhere then there will be a devastating impact in Uk employment.

Have you ever studied economics? Even to a basic level?

If we left in a sensible orderly fashion the farming industry, along with all others, might have more of a chance and at least time to formulate plans and adapt to change. 90 days doesn't give them that time

Brexit, in an orderly fashion, was meant to happen 29 March 2019 after Article 50 was invoked 2 years earlier, 29 March 2017. Should UK farmers not have started their preparations 29 March 2017?

Or were they assuming that Brexit would not happen and made no preparations?

And a trade deal dominated by USA means they are in a very strong position to force standards to change.

I also wonder about the gun lobby. It’s strong over there. I can almost see them pressuring us to relax our gun laws as part of the trade deal

No deal brexit will kill those NHS standards.

The end game here IS to get rid of any standard standing in the way of mercenary business:

• NHS standards
• environmental / manufacturing

(Which by the way will affect workers rights -sweat shops here we come) Etc.

You are so naive if you think there is any other agenda here.

Should UK farmers not have started their preparations 29 March 2017?

Preparations cost money!!
You don't prepare for an unknown scenario unless you actually have that money to spare; you do it once you know what you're possibly up against.

a cheeky bet on Boris revoking

What odds have been offered? I can spare a few pounds

And if we import everything because it is cheaper elsewhere then there will be a devastating impact in Uk employment

That's why UK economy has moved from manufacturing to services (80% of total economy). UK could not compete with other Countries.

And a trade deal dominated by USA means they are in a very strong position to force standards to change

That's why UK should look to engage with the rest of the World as opposed to all eggs in a few baskets.

I also wonder about the gun lobby. It’s strong over there. I can almost see them pressuring us to relax our gun laws as part of the trade deal

Hopefully UK would not do that after the 1996 Dunblane event.

Preparations cost money

Lack of planning costs too as UK will likely find out in a no deal scenario after UK foolishly assumed a deal would be easy.

You don't prepare for an unknown scenario unless you actually have that money to spare; you do it once you know what you're possibly up against

For me a no deal was always the most likely as getting 27 Countries to bend in favour of 1 Country was never going to happen.

@Cacacoisfarraige , if it wasn't so fucking tragic, I would laugh.

@Tullow2016 , they did bend. A lot. Just not over.

Dismantling the NHS would reap huge rewards for US pharma and other operators

At the moment there is a large lobby to support the GFA in the US

Those two comments seem at odds with each other? If US does not want to trade with UK because of GFA how will they be able to reap the rewards from the NHS if they don't trade?

The GFA has stripped the UK of a large amount of bargaining

How?