To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

So what happens to the beef and milk producers in the UK who export to other countries ?

WTO doesn't require a border but it requires you to be in control of your economic area. Said this till I am blue in the face. Doesn't have to be a border but it has to be control. At present, there is no way of doing that without some sort of visible " control ". Which is why it should be "in the sea", as in while any goods are coming to anywhere in mainland Britain. And checked -even dead quickly or remotely- at British port on mainland. Which requires infrastructure.
If you can find an IT WORKS now invisible technology, then great. But there isn't any anywhere in the world.

I do not live in scotland even though I am Scottish.

I tend not to use the word ‘we’ when talking about how things affect Scotland because it doesn’t affect me directly.

I did not get a vote in the independence referendum because I did not live in a scotland.

With some of the comments on here I can think that was the right decision.

If you are going to vote to change the status quo and impact the lives of millions and millions of people negatively at least for a number of years (no matter how much you think it may all be worth it in the end) then you should at least live in the country and be directly affected by the decisions that are made.

Janista your gleeful comments on here make it clear to me that you know pretty much what the consequences of No deal are and you are loving the upset and distress it is causing to your ‘fellow’ countrymen from afar.

Couldn't the ROI just sell their beef and milk to other EU countries, like they do now ?

As a member of the EU does that not also mean protection for UK food suppliers, manufacturers etc

This is what the EU relies on when saying that leaving the EU will create risk in terms of health and safety. However, comparing life expectancy between USA and UK is

USA Male 80 and Female 84
UK Male 70 and Female 82

However, life expectancy is not just be related to food quality.

Nope @Tullow2016 , no sign of compromise. Just more meaningless shit, then.

So what happens to the beef and milk producers in the UK who export to other countries

Sell to countries outside the EU or EU re-visits their standards.

Those figures aren't correct Tullow

Life expectancy of a UK male is 79.2, female is 82.9.

In the US it's 76.1 for a male and 81.1 for a female.

So, lower than the UK.

Sell to countries outside the EU or EU re-visits their standards.

And are you seriously implying that the EU drop their food standards because the UK decided to Brexit?

@tullow that may happen eventually but what about the short term.

And then in the time it takes to find new customers and arrange transportation etc the farm has gone under and the livestock has been slaughtered.

I wonder if the next time I drive on the M6 through Cumbria whether I will smell the burning animal carcasses like I did in the foot and mouth crisis

I know lots of people who are panicking about brexit and a no deal brexit, obviously the many difficulties it presents is what our politicians should be preparing for, instead they bicker and play party politics, our politicians have failed us and exacerbated the situation we should by this point be prepared for leaving the eu deal or no deal and be addressing the most critical problems that will arise. Maybe in 5 years time we may look back and laugh at people's panic. Surely we are a strong and intelligent and industrious enough nation to prosper and turn brexit into an opportunity instead of complaining about leaving a piss poor trade deal. I think Brexit will be the best thing in years for the uk, just watch the rest of the countries in the EU falter now, Germany practically rule Europe now and will still continue to do so, at least we are not helping them to exploit other countries.

Couldn't the ROI just sell their beef and milk to other EU countries, like they do now?

If there is sufficient demand, yes. At present over 50% of Irish beef is sold to the UK.

You really think our politicians are capable of making this a success?

They have already made many culpable acts - voting for Article 50 without an agreed plan was the biggest one.

Those figures aren't correct Tullow

Depends where you look. Even if USA is lower than UK does that prove that quality, as opposed to excess intake for which USA is renowned due to the obesity in USA, is the reason?

Sorry Tullow I think you misinterpreted my point, what I mean is being a member of the EU offers a level of protection to food suppliers and manufacturers etc, which will disappear when we leave the EU. Nothing to do with the health and safety perspective, although I am rather keen on that too.
I have the feeling that you are quite keen on a survival of the fittest scenario when it comes to UK farming and other businesses. However pulling the rug from under them isn't a fair or measured way of achieving this

Life expectancy for males in the UK is 79 I believe.

Where did you find your figures Tullow? Those stats for UK males were out by a decade!
I know that US food standards are lower than the EU. For instance Aldi in the UK is making a big thing of not selling foods with a list of certain pesticides in them. Pesticides that are already banned in the EU.
The US also uses growth hormones in animal husbandry. There's the infamous chlorinated chicken, of course. Overall I don't see how lower food standards are a good thing for anyone.

And are you seriously implying that the EU drop their food standards because the UK decided to Brexit?

The only EU member in the World's top 10 for life expectancy is Italy, at 10th. Latvia is an EU member and it ranks 127 (out of 195) for life expectancy.

Tullow even if I would live for longer I still don’t want to eat chlorinated chicken.

It’s disgusting.

And dropping food standards would improve this how exactly?

The Irish border:

twitter.com/marksugruek/status/1155957402312663041?s=21

You're using dodgy facts and figures (while ignoring the real ones) to deflect from the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You confidently state things as "fact" and when pulled up on it not being fact, you move to the next thing.

How the fuck does food trading (or lack thereof) equate to life expectancy?

Sorry Tullow I think you misinterpreted my point, what I mean is being a member of the EU offers a level of protection to food suppliers and manufacturers etc, which will disappear when we leave the EU

UK can set its own standards. The argument presented by leave supporters is that EU standards are higher than necessary to prevent access to cheaper alternatives.

Tullow even if I would live for longer I still don’t want to eat chlorinated chicken

It’s disgusting

I don't eat turnip as I don't like the taste. Does not mean it is dangerous.

I know people who don't drink whiskey because they don't like the smell. Likewise I know people whose diet is nothing other than whiskey.