To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

MPs claimed £23.3 million in expenses

A big chunk of this is to employ constituency employees and to cover accommodation costs in London.

I am all for MPs being held accountable - and I think the single thing that we could do to improve our politics is to stop subsidising and if possible ban alcohol in their workplace - but if you insist that MPs cannot be reimbursed for genuine costs then you will return to a time when only rich people could become MPs. Which I suspect is not at all what you want to see.

Do you have any idea what life was like before GFA? If you did, you wouldn't be so casual about fucking with it

If a deal can't be agreed then what is left other than no deal and UK has to follow WTO procedures for trade?

That WTO has no border control rules (other than possibly national security issues), but EU does have rules and regulations over goods that pass over their borders into EU appears to pass the Irish Border issue and preservation of GFA back to ROI and EU? UK government sits back smugly and says;

"We have no issue with people or goods passing between NI and ROI in either direction, it is EU regulations (which UK no longer has to follow) that is causing the problems"

I have not lived in either ROI or NI, but remember in the 70s and 80s that the troubles were a regular feature in the news. Bombings both in NI and in mainland UK. Even a hotel in Brighton was bombed to kill Mrs Thatcher.

Hopefully a deal can be made so that history does not reappear, but the way Johnson is talking I don't think he cares?

What is happening now is exactly what the EU wants.

The final destruction of the UK as a unitary state and everyone fighting with each other.

The EU seeks to destroy the nation state and rule Europe via their decades long held strategy of a "Europe of the regions".

Look it up.

The stakes couldn't be higher. This is a battle for the UKs very existence.

the absolute interest of the EU is to want to see the UK destroyed. People like the SNP are just playing into their hands.

Now is just a convenient time to complete their plan with Brexit, but if we hadn't left, it was nakedly on the agenda anyway and being pushed through fair means and foul.

The UK needs to wake up to what's happening here and fast.

and must hold together.

Why don't you come back to the UK @Janista , if you care so passionately. Or get a new hobby to entertain you because shit stirring from afar (Australia) isn't really any use to anyone.

"That WTO has no border control rules (other than possibly national security issues),"
Apart from the one that requires you to have control over your economic area. As I have said before, it doesn't have to be a hard border but it has to be at. And the technology doesn't currently exist to have a virtual one on the UK border with ROI.

I care passionately about the uk and am politically active and vote in uk elections like thousands of other brits who live overseas whether temporarily or more permanently
I have no less right than anyone else to an opinion on brexit.

Personally I think it’s scandalous that you can vote in UK elections @Janista. If it were up to me, it would stop immediately.

Janista no thanks. Bring on Scottish independence.
And your little anti EU rant is delusional.

And the technology doesn't currently exist to have a virtual one on the UK border with ROI

Aware of that otherwise it would be in place, but how will ROI police/control/monitor goods entering ROI from NI in the event of a no deal?

As for blaming the EU for the Irish border, that's laughable. It's the UK government that caused it in the first place!

Most people will know that and the partition went up in 1922. Some 26 years before EU was even formed. It is the movement of goods between NI and ROI in the event of a no deal Brexit that needs to be solved.

If this is 'battle for the UKs existence' then I hope they win.

I want zero part of the UK.

Then come home @Janista .

What absolute bullshit from Janista

The EU does not want to see the destruction of the UK - but because the UK (as all E28 countries are) is sovereign (and BTW: the UK never lost its sovereignty ), it can't interfere in the UK's internal affairs.

If the UK wants to rear itself apart, that's the UK's business. But if in doing so, it also affects a continuing EU member (which is what Ireland is) and damages an international peace treaty by choice (NB: the UK , not Ireland, as it is the UK that is choosing not to avail itself of the potential solution to the problem of its own making ), then the EU will support (and has plans to provide funding) to support it's continuing member state to mitigate the damage caused by the UK

I'd say that was pretty responsible unlike the UK

I'd have been satisfied with a proper federal UK and/or Devo Max. But now England can go take a running jump (Happy for Scotland to take Remain voting refugees though No Deal hypocrites are not welcome - they can "enjoy" the fruits of their actions).

Who created the partition @Tullow2016 . Seriously? Are you having a laugh?
And despite the noises made, ROI will have to put up something to protect the economic area to which it belongs.

ROI will have to put up something to protect the economic area to which it belongs

Ideally no, but how to police goods from NI entering ROI in the event of no deal? The suggestion of a special economic zone seems to have been dismissed.

To Janitsa

Think you are wasting your time. There are a few on MN that see Brexit as a way of reversing history of UK and the three smaller members getting one over the largest member.

A no deal Brexit will likely result in the 4 states going independent over time. I think whatever form of Brexit occurs Scotland will want out. The Island of Ireland will have a unification referendum. Wales I am not sure what their plan could be?

@tullow what?????

Who is talking about rewriting the history of the UK??????

Or reversing history? How can you even do that.

You seem angry that some people want independence. Can you not understand why?

Janista has as much right to her opinion and to post on here as do Remain posters.

Several prominent remainers on here live abroad, and other Remain posters do are EU nationals.

Everyone can post.

Janista, I agree with you. The EU are trying to,bully us. Thankfully Boris refuses to be bullied.
And he has some good domestic policies.
So glad I voted for him.

@Coppersulphate the only bullies are the brexiteers (not talking about everyday leavers like you) who have had all the education, opportunities and a silver spoon life that the vast majority of us don’t.

And they have grown up to be selfish brats who like to win no matter who they trod on in the process.

The EU have 27 countries to protect and need to make sure they are doing the best for them. If only our government thought the same..........

And as for his domestic policies - buying votes springs to mind.

Yet they will say that Labour spend irresponsibly.

Janista. This is for you, in honour of your post at 12.01.

@Janista can have her opinion and express it. But unless she comes clean with every inflammatory post she puts in with an "actually I am in Australia so this is all academic for me", she will get called out.

@Tullow2016 if NI is a special economic zone then no checks will be needed. I am still holding out hope for something like that. Why do you think I'm not.
And Johnson is a dodgy fecker who can just as easily shaft the DUP as suck up to them. In fact the more he makes Nice Nice with them, the more I suspect he is going to shaft them.

I've never read such utter crap about the EU wanting to destroy the U.K.

Mental. Potty. Crackpot. Insane.

Saint Nigel of Fartage has basically admitted what we all know;

Mr Farage told the prime minister that he could not enter into an electoral pact with the Conservatives while Mr Cummings was masterminding the government’s no-deal Brexit strategy.
”He thinks we’re all cretins and members of the lower order,” Mr Farage said. “He has never liked me. He can’t stand the ERG [European Research Group of Brexiteer MPs]. I can’t see him coming to any accommodation with anyone. He has huge personal enmity with the true believers in Brexit.”

• that it's all a cult. Like any cult, it is based on no facts, only feelz. And like most cult leaders, it's pretty obvious that he doesn't really believe it himself, it's all about power.