To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

No I am fine with an Aid Budget that funds projects that help people, even with us send money from donations.
It was about us not being able to say the place is lacking in funds, because it isn't PC....

Ah. Ok. I must have misinterpreted the tone and implications of your post of 21.36 then.

My bad.

The EU does not exist to help the individual.

Not sure you’ll be saying that when your rights are watered down:

Boris Johnson’s new Brexit chief wants to scrap Theresa May’s commitment on workers’ rights

Frightening. We really are in the hands of right wing madmen.

What has happened to the Welsh farmers? I thought Wales voted out ?

I would imagine that the Welsh farmers are currently in the grips of Bregret, the penny having finally dropped.

I would cancel the aid budget completely. Countries should help themselves not live off corrupt charity l.

You really have no idea about foreign aid. A lot of it is reparations for things that we have a nation have done. Plus we don't generally give it out of the goodness of our hearts - we have a vested interest. Of course, with an attitude like that, I can see why you don't like the EU. It must be galling to be tied to an organisation that doesn't have being top dog as its ultimate goal.

" I would cancel the aid budget completely. Countries should help themselves not live off corrupt charity l."
When did you last pay UK taxes?

When did you last pay UK taxes?

Very good question.

Incidentally this thread, and some posters more than others, have illustrated the dreadful failings of the education system.

For adults to be so ignorant of the facts, and to believe such utter claptrap as truth is genuinely worrying.

The trolls I understand, that's how they get their sad little kicks for whatever reason.

But the ones who are genuinely so misinformed and willfully ignorant? Worrying.

This thread is becoming a Nationalist battle and is what EU wants. Weaken the Union and it is easier to control?

No deal not the best outcome, but looking likely as very difficult to juggle the WTO requirements, GFA and Brexit at the same time which happened in the following order;

WTO established 1 Jan 1995

Those who were EU members at that time are all WTO member.

GFA established 10 April 1998

The only current EU members who were not WTO members at this date are; Croatia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuiania. So ROI, UK and the other major EU members agreed WTO before GFA was established.

Other major Countries who signed WTO before the GFA are; USA, Japan, India.

Brexit voted in 23 June 2016, but not yet happened

If UK leaves without a deal with EU, then UK will have to trade on WTO. Under WTO there is no requirement for border control. UK could simply allow goods to flow into UK without any checks or tariffs, but must apply the same principle to all other trading partners.

However, EU countries are entitled to impose tariffs and checks on goods imported from outside EU. So UK could sit back and wait to see what happens at the Irish border.

Checks or tariffs imposed by ROI/EU on NI would be out of UK control. So any comment about the GFA not being respected would be directed at ROI and EU in general as opposed to UK.

Is this Johnson's strategy behind no deal?

Weaken the Union and it is easier to control?

It's Westminster who has weakened the Union, nobody else.

Maybe if people had understood that when they were warned, numerous times, the union wouldn't be looking so precarious now?

To blame the EU for the divisions within the union shows a staggering lack of awareness. It is Westminster lording it over the Union members while holding all the power that has weakened the Union.

Now that it's clear Scotland and NI have other options it's a problem?

Too late.

As for blaming the EU for the Irish border, that's laughable. It's the UK government that caused it in the first place!

Treating NI/Ireland so appallingly, then as an afterthought for so many years is coming back to bite them.

Navel gazing and arrogance is what has brought us to here.

Expectation that the rest of the UK will continue to fall in line and do as they're told has brought us here.

It's both depressing and funny in equal measures that you continue to blame anyone but your own government for the absolute shitshow that is going on.

There's nobody to blame but Westminster.

@Tullow2016 - how old are you? Where (in general terms) do you live? Do you have any idea what life was like before GFA? If you did, you wouldn't be so casual about fucking with it.
It is a genuine miracle. One thing we can be genuinely proud of. Shameful to even think about playing "chicken " with it.

Btw @Tullow2016 , I'm no fan of nationalism. But I know when I've pissed someone off so much they are thinking about alternatives to being with me.

@Janista

Under that logic we should cancel all benefits and subsidies.

So now Boris is talking of a transition period where we stay part of the single market and customs union for two years. That sounds more reassuring!

I think I’m going to stop reading/watching the news as it seems to be one thing one day and another the next.

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'Australia ( or sny other country) gives aid as a humanitarian response to help those in the region suffering extreme poverty. ... It also promotes economic growth in developing countries, which helps foster economic and political stability and expands trade and investment opportunities for Australia."
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Mummy the aid budget is only 0.7% of gross GDP. I appreciate the frustration of people who see declining services and infrastructure and believe that the money could be better spent in the UK. It does beg the question, why have the services and infrastructure been allowed to decline ? We are not apparently a poor country, we are constantly reminded that we are the 5th largest economy, where's all that money going ? Only a tiny fraction is going to foreign aid and the EU, so where is the rest ? Local councils have had their budgets slashed , school budgets have been cut to the bone, number of police officers down, NHS waiting lists up again, where is the money from the 5th largest economy ?

What has happened to the Welsh farmers? I thought Wales voted out ?

Most of Wales did, and apparently regrets it.

However rural areas voted Remain because most farmers knew they'd be fucked.

Only a tiny fraction is going to foreign aid and the EU, so where is the rest

A very good question no one seems capable of answering, especially the Government.

In answer to my own question , perhaps its been down the back of a sofa in Downing street all this time, given the way Boris is talking about spending ?

Boris Johnson’s new Brexit chief wants to scrap Theresa May’s commitment on workers’ rights

And once again Project Fear becomes reality. This was one of the main reasons I voted to remain.

I think I’m going to stop reading/watching the news as it seems to be one thing one day and another the next

I think that's very true and it';s no good for one's mental health.

A very good question no one seems capable of answering, especially the Government.

Indeed.

Last year, excluding travel costs MPs claimed £23.3 million in expenses.

Food and alcohol was subsidised within the HoP to the tune of over £3 million.

But it's far, far easier to blame foreign aid isn't it?

We keep being told there's no money. No money to house people displaced by Grenfell, no money to put into the NHS, education, public services.

And yet.......…

Sorry excluding staffing costs but including travel costs that should have read.

So the UK is the 5th largest economy and so won't be effected by no deal or hardly at all right ?
The majority of the voting population of the UK allegedly voted to leave the EU because their lives were so bad, they couldn't imagine they could possibly get any worse. In the 5th largest economy.
As a member of the EU we have become the 5th largest economy and yet everything that is wrong in the UK is entirely down to its membership of the EU.
The rich have somehow got the middles classes to blame the poor for being poor and the poor to blame the middles classes for them being poor. And the rich have just got a hell of a lot richer. Clever really when you think about it.
Austerity starts to make the population grumble about their lot in life ? Instead of asking 'where's the money if we are the 5th largest economy' ? the EU is dragged out as the bogeyman , that's where your money is they are told ( about 1.2% of government spending in 2016) and nobody says 'ah right but where's the rest of it' ?

I always wonder if EU tax avoidance directive had anything to do with the media ramping up any EU sentiment. ec.europa.eu/taxationcustoms/business/company-tax/anti-tax-avoidance-package/anti-tax-avoidance-directiveen