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Germany's economy in freefall

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urbanlife · 26/07/2019 06:58

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/25/german-economy-free-fall-exhausted-draghi-loses-magic/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget

So leaving on WTO terms looks like a very sound choice. Germany props up the entire EU superstate pretty much.

I for one am feeling much more optimistic by the day.

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Jason118 · 26/07/2019 22:12

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Knittedjimmychoos · 26/07/2019 22:29

I'm amazed too.
I understand their frustration and annoyance, I understand their positions.

If anyone asked me to argue for remain at the drop of hat I certainly could. I feel both sides, and understand both.
But these boards attract few more rational posters it's the same ones day in day out day in day out, churning out the same stuff, again. No problem if that's how they want to spend their time but for goodness sake, the way some flood into the the merest hint of leaver side topic like famished piranhas!

One would imagine they have the good grace to ignore it.
Leavers could flood the Westminster topics over and over a again with banal crap but we don't and the one poster who tried to discuss something was again called a bot.
. Anyway this isn't my job its mnhq.

But everyone sees it op, we all know what goes on here! Grin

Knittedjimmychoos · 26/07/2019 22:30

Jason your like a three-year old with a magnifying glass roasting ants in the sun wondering why they don't move anymore.

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Jason118 · 26/07/2019 22:43

Oops, sorry Hmm

SistemaAddict · 26/07/2019 22:44

It will be interesting to see what October brings. Most remainers are hoping nobody suffers as a result of brexit and would love to be proved wrong.

Miljah · 26/07/2019 23:38

urbanlife

You are somewhat obtusely refusing to own the fact in your actual OP, that 'Germany's economy is in freefall' is, at best, a myth, at worst, a lie.

Secondly, posters are allowed to 'continue' in any fashion they like, as long as they aren't contravening (sometimes knee jerk Wink) MN rules.

In the same vein, you are 'allowed' to post your views on here. Q, you: " I am fed up that I am not able to post my view because of the bullying on here."

It's social media: You counter views you disagree with, you report 'bullying' if you are being 'bullied'. You may have conflated the two. No one is 'disallowing you', unless you seek victim-hood wherever you can.

Next " At some point we have to stand by what we believe in, to say no you can’t force your agenda on us any longer." - No, You, via Leave, are forcing your agenda on Remainers. Remember, 'You Won'.... (yet still you moan).

urbanlife :"I have noted some progress though. Remainers and the EU have stopped saying;

1) You don’t know what you voted for - they now know we definitely did after the EU elections.

Do you mean the LD surge? Or The Brexit 'Party', which isn't the Conservatives under Bojo, by the way.

If it helps at all the 4 Leavers I know are horrified by both Boris and No Deal. All 4, four people with whom I have maintained cordial relationships with, occasionally through my gritted teeth, say 'Never thought it would come to this'; and 'No Deal isn't what we voted for'

2) a second ref - now accepting they would lose again by a bigger margin having done the maths. Better to try and overturn the vote by stealth.

Reference, please. I suggest that, like my arch Leaver brother, many would now, through their own gritted teeth, vote LD to stop this shit-show. I cannot reference that, same as you can't.

3) Brexiteers don’t want no deal. Yup that old chestnut. Now they know we are deadly serious. I am a moderate leaver, and even I am prepared to leave without a deal. "

Reference that.

Why do you think Bojo's Conservatives, and The Brexit 'Party' are so, so averse to a confirmatory vote? Because they know they'd lose. Many, many Leavers, having made their misguided protest vote, three years ago, against austerity, against a London/SE Centric government, against being left behind with their lack of political engagement, against poor educational outcomes (although they hate their child's school... ref: MN) and so it goes on. The London disregard for The Regions is real. Casting off from the EU won't only not solve that, it will make things far, far worse.....So, Tory induced issues blamed on the EU because they were offered a simple, binary referendum. No having to trawl through manifestos, no having to listen to Question Time (I bear that cross); just Remain/Leave, where Leave transpires to mean any number of unicorns dancing on sunlit uplands. As all my Leave friends attest, the cherry picking of outcomes. Hence their horror of ND.

The project fear won’t work - You, my dear, have seen nothing yet. What about the fear on a young, single mum's face when there's no food in the shop? When her child's anti-epileptic medicine is unavailable so they're given some cheap, generic 'alternative'- that doesn't work?

We haven't left yet

Your assertion : There is no positive case to remain, I have still never heard of a single one beyond second homes and extended student gap years ( that no one takes anymore anyway) confused Even in all these years they still haven’t even managed a positive case.

Mine: There is every case to Remain- Iran, anyone? Just to be topical.

Boris will fix this.

No, Boris, and JRM, and Farrarago, ultimately, will be massive beneficiaries of all this, along with non tax paying folks who live on Brecqhou. Google 'Disaster Capitalist'.

You are being played for fools.

notangelinajolie · 26/07/2019 23:38

urbanlife thank you for starting this thread. I share your positivity for the future and like you I believe Boris will deliver.

Miljah · 26/07/2019 23:44

notangelina but urbanlife started her OP with a lie, at worst; at best, a 'gross misrepresentation of facts'.

Sort of reminds me of a bus......

Are you OK with that?

Miljah · 26/07/2019 23:45

And...

Bojo the Clown is not a Leaver. He is an opportunist.

Jason118 · 26/07/2019 23:53

@notangelinajolie the key words in your post are 'positivity' and 'belief' neither of which are based on any factual evidence that even leaving is a good idea, let alone leaving with no deal. It's the rhetoric of cults and you've been recruited.

Hazardtired · 27/07/2019 00:05

Bit of Bublè for the beleaver's love for Boris

I believe in starting over
I can see that your heart is true
I believe in love
You give me reason to
You're the light that lifts me higher
So bright, you guide me through
I believe in you
I believe in you
I believe in you
You guide me through
I believe in you

Clavinova · 27/07/2019 00:22

I've missed all the fun - I didn't have time to reply earlier...

BelleSausage
There is an update at the top. I can read. Are you sure you can?
It is always a good idea to read the source material and not just the reporting. Hot tip for those dedicated researchers out there.
I’ve highlighted the relevant bits for those who find reading the whole thing a bit too time consuming.

Slight 'overkill' there.

I'm not sure why you highlighted the bits you did.

There has been some confusion - I was trying to point out that Darren Grimes was referred to the Met Police last year (July 2018) - not yesterday, which this post (and possibly your one as well) implies;

"He won the appeal against the fine, but it was confirmed yesterday that he broke the law and the file has been referred to the Met."

The Met Police are still assessing the case - but there must be a good chance now that they won't pursue Mr Grimes - since he has won his appeal against the Electoral Commission;

"Judge Marc Dight said that even if BeLeave did not have a formal constitution by January 2016, it was clear it was made up of like-minded people who had an agreement to campaign on Brexit in a certain way."

"He said Mr Grimes had tried to meet his obligations to the commission in filling out the forms, and that his actions were not dishonest or lacking transparency."

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EmeraldIsle2016 · 27/07/2019 03:45

@ Cacacois

USA would not be at top of my list countries to form new deals. India and China are the markets to target as their combined population is 40% of the World Population.

If it is necessary for UK not to trade with USA to preserve Brexit so be it. EU currently does not have trade deal with USA anyway. If people are paranoid about USA food products and USA wants NHS I don't think a trade deal with USA would be popular. However, as Trump and Johnson seem to be clones of each other who knows what they will do.

Pelosi's roots are Italian as opposed to Irish. So is her support for the WA motivated by friendship for Ireland or an indirect attempt to thwart Brexit in the interests of Italy?

EmeraldIsle2016 · 27/07/2019 04:01

To Urban and Knitted

MN posters are mostly remain. Some good posters who seem to be well read and post good arguments, explain the practical difficulties a border between NI and ROI would create and that UK has a treaty to respect.

Some, however, see it as a;

We told you so
If you think different to me you are wrong
Hope all leavers get burned
Brexit will result in NI and Scotland conquering England and revenge has been achieved (Lots of flag waving)

That MN has had to delete many posts is an indication of the

don't you dare disagree with me

approach

Tullow2016 · 27/07/2019 04:39

Wow. Some thread we have here. I am from UK, but now live elsewhere.

What this thread and Brexit highlights is that UK Government/Politics/Election system is failing and needs an overhaul. How to do that I am not sure.

As long as UK PM's and Cabinet Ministers are from well off backgrounds and either educated at Eton/Cambridge/Oxford and from well off background they will never see the World in the same way as Mr and Mrs average.

Going back as far as Harold Wilson virtually every UK PM, except John Major, was Oxford educated.

pantherrose · 27/07/2019 06:16

The situation with DB is very serious indeed. I've not yet scrolled through all 20 pages on this thread, so apologies in advance if I'm repeating someones post.This is a comment posted yesterday in response to an opinion piece in the national press. "Brexit cannot really wait until Oct 31st.There is currently a German bailout of Deutsche Bank DB in progress masked as the separation into a bad bank of E50 billion in long dated derivatives underwritten by the German taxpayer, possibly EU taxpayer. Check with Sajid who has worked for DB. In 2018 DB only reported a profit of E267million yet it is supposedly the worlds 6th largest bank. DBs total exposure to derivatives is around E43 trillion. You should immediately quarantine the UK from these bad debts based upon the submission date of Article 50 and bring forward our Leave date with No Deal of any kind".
I've since been able to verify the posters information and it's correct. The situation is very much worse than most realise and I have no doubt that if Boris Johnson can get us out, other countries will follow.