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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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Frankiestein402 · 27/07/2019 18:55

Hence we can't say that voters wanted a hard Leave, or indeed any specific form of Leave that is actually possible,

Though we can say they certainly did not want a hard leave. The 2017 tory manifesto promised an 'orderly' exit and the Labour manifesto, however interpreted most definitely was not for a hard exit.

lonelyplanetmum · 27/07/2019 18:57

Random aside- left the campsite to get food. Saw Daily Vile headline...

" Surprise blow to British holidaymakers as pound hits July low against the Euro."

Now there's a surprise.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:00

The ECJ hasn't said that Parliament needs to make the decision: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-47668466

Why is there so much fact-skewing tonight? It's bloody rare for this thread to have so much bloody wrong in it.

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 19:02

Lots of folk talking absolute shite on here today.

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:04

curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2018-12/cp180191en.pdf

Read it.

@NoWordForFluffy

That's all you have to do. Or is it too long for you?

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:05

No need to denigrate yourself @Iambuffy

ListeningQuietly · 27/07/2019 19:06

The 2016 leave vote was numerically high
17,410,742 but it was 51.89% of votes cast
and the electorate was 46,500,001

In 1974, stay got
17,378,581 which was 67.23% of votes cast
and the electorate was 40,086,677

so the electorate went up by 6.5 million
but leave did not capitalise on it Grin

Iambuffy · 27/07/2019 19:08

Oh placemats

You are a one! 😁

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:10

That's all you have to do. Or is it too long for you?

What exactly are you trying to suggest with this comment? Aside from being a patronising twat?

countrygirl99 · 27/07/2019 19:14

Nadine Dorries has been promoted. Bottom.of.the.barrel. Chris Grayling mus be relieved - she will make him look bright.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:16

OK. I assume you're referring to this bit: 'The revocation must be decided following a democratic process in accordance with national constitutional requirements.'

Whilst disregarding this bit: 'In the absence of an express provision governing revocation of the notification of the intention to withdraw, that revocation is subject to the rules laid down in Article 50(1) TEU for the withdrawal itself, with the result that it may be decided unilaterally, in accordance with the constitutional requirements of the Member State concerned.'

There is bugger all in our constitution about how to revoke. Certainly nothing which says parliament needs to decide. Therefore, the revocation just has to comply with the requirements of Art 50 itself.

Maybe it was too long for you, @placemats.

Are you a leaver or remainder, by the way?

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 27/07/2019 19:18

IIRC the Romans definitely did import skilled labour to Britannia, especially craftsmen.

Legionaries did have skills but related to warfare & infrastructure projects.

... DGR I recognise your version of events.

Not sure how this topic was raised?????

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:19

Well you are the one who is lowering themselves to using derogatory terms to describe others @Iambuffy. There is really no need to use such language.

Why are you like @NoWordForFluffy?

One would think you agree with Urbanlife.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:20

@WhatwouldScoobyDoo, it was mentioning Hadrian's Wall, I think! (Re border with Scotland.)

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:22

Ooh, @Iambuffy, why are you like me, of all people? The fucking horror.

@placemats, stop talking shit and people won't question you so much.

You have way more in common with urbanlife than you realise!

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:22

If you knew me on these threads you would know the answer to that.

@fluuffyballscan'tbearsedtoreadthethread

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:24

I don't really recognise your name, @placemats. Why are you being a twat towards me? Because I have the temerity to point out you're talking utter shit?

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:27

IIRC the Romans definitely did import skilled labour to Britannia, especially craftsmen.

But what are recalling correctly? Your first in Roman Britain that you obtained from Cambridge? Or a Year Six talk on the Romans in Britain?

placemats · 27/07/2019 19:28

I don't recall your name either FluffyMcFluuffffyy

Alsohuman · 27/07/2019 19:28

Oh ffs, can we please forget Roman Britain?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 19:30

Under our Constitution, it is the PM alone who can Revoke,
by a simple letter to the President of the EU Commission, before 10:59 PM (UK time) on 31 October

He does not (legally or constitutionally) need the agreement of Parliament,
because - unlike Invoking - Revoking does not remove any rights from British citizens

Politically however, a PM would prefer to cover himself by having the agreement of the HoC and / or a PV

NoWordForFluffy · 27/07/2019 19:31

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placemats · 27/07/2019 19:31

Why are you being a twat towards me? Because I have the temerity to point out you're talking utter shit?

Just listen to yourself. Say this out loud whilst looking in the mirror.

I've not used any derogatory terms towards you.

Fluffymcfllyyyffffy

Alsohuman · 27/07/2019 19:32

Can we not just forge a letter from Boris? Job done.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 19:33

There is an LSE blog that claims the HoC could also Revoke, but this is disputed by most other legal opinions I have read

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