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Westminstenders: On An Election Footing

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RedToothBrush · 25/07/2019 16:22

Boris Johnson has set out his strategy.

He is challenging remain Tories to put their money where their mouth is, or to shut up.

His majority, soon to be just 1, is fragile but he intends to tough it out.

His Cabinet, is to all intents and purposes an ERG take over of the Tory Party, not unlike the Momentum take over of the Labour Party. And Johnson is looking to purge the party of its liberal wing, whilst pretending that he is liberal to make it acceptable to long term loyal Tories who might still waiver and merely vote for the rosette or like the veneer of respectability.

It has been made clear to Tory MPs that they will have to sign up to a No Deal Strategy should a snap election be called - or face the prospect of deselection. Disloyality will not be tolerated as Hunt's Cabinet backers all found out when they were sacked rather than be allowed to resign as Grayling was.

Instead Johnson reaped his revenge bringing back quitters and disgraced MPs as a deliberate 'fuck you' to moderates and remainers.

His message is clear and made all the clearer by the appointment of Dominic Cummings.

Today the Treasurery opened the piggie bank and told all departments to prepare for no deal. That is what is going to happen.

Parliament can not stop no deal. Johnson will drive it through regardless, even if its technically illegal. The default of no deal makes it an impossible juggernaught to stop without triggering a GE before the 31st October.

Technically speaking there are just 3 parliamentary days left this can be done.

And a GE is no guarentee of stopping no deal anyway. Cummings coming on board spells it out. Its a campaign strategy to reinvigourate the Leave Campaign and make all the promises that were made before. Of course there is no way of implimenting any of these before 31st October, so they just sound nice and people will believe them because they want to believe them. They want to trust and have hope for the future.

Yet with no trade deals and third party status, and crippling gridlock at ports and extra red tape for exporters and importers to deal with, it is inevitable that the economy will take a big hit. And Johnson's promises are expensive. His £39 billion he wants to withhold, is peanuts in the scheme of things and given what he is proposing.

The plan might sound nice, but it doesn't actually add up.

If we want a deal we will STILL have to sign up to conditions that Brussels sets out EVEN IF we no deal.

Meanwhile the US is ready and waiting to fleece us, because we aren't prepared to admit this and are too proud to see that this is a better option than have corporate American feast on the bones of the British economy.

Human Rights and Workers Rights are very much in the cross hairs with this. Health and Safety standards that have been set by London and then imposed on the EU will be burnt.

All the while the EU will be blamed for our own folly.

The worst thing is, people will actually buy it too.

Things are going to get a hell of a lot worse in this country, not because we lack optimism and hope, but because our egos are too big and we have been too idealist rather than recognising very real obstacles and finding ways to overcome than rather than just trying to ignore them. We will find out all those Paragraph Cs in good time the hard way because of the lack of attention to detail.

PFI and outsourcing will look like minor hiccups when the shit hits the fan.

I do hope that the puritians of the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats and the Remain Referendum Campaign are happy. This is also their mess. They have spent 3 years naval gazing and still don't understand nor know how to respond. This is where a General Election becomes a very real danger because they are clueless as to how to combat a reunited Leave campaign.

Be careful what you wish for going forward.

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QueenOfThorns · 27/07/2019 08:43

Oh look, we might have to give £3.5 mill of money designed to alleviate child poverty back to the EU because our government is fucking useless www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49131685 Angry

What’s the matter with these people?

Justaboutdone · 27/07/2019 08:47

If they did have to vote confidence in a government does the PM need to be a party leader?

Let’s not kid on - no one will vote for JC to be PM.

But if it were Keir Stammer for instance then it may be different.

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 08:48

Once more we will have Leavers piling in to say that he's offered an amnesty to asylum seekers (or whatever) and he's investing in northern rail, and blah de blah. They will believe the headlines, but won't be around 5 years later when we start asking where the money went, why the railways weren't upgraded, why are we still locking up and chucking out asylum seekers.

QueenOfThorns · 27/07/2019 08:52

Peregrina, I have no idea what the situation is like now (far more GCSEs seem to be taken), but I was in one of the first cohorts to take GCSEs rather than O levels. I went to a large local comprehensive and the maximum that most people could do was 2 sciences (and one had to be chemistry because of the way the choices were set up). I was one of the lucky few that was selected to do ‘triple science’, which meant taking 3 subjects in the same teaching time as most people did 2. That meant that I could do 3 sciences at A level, but most couldn’t. It’s shocking that so many people were having their options restricted so early on. Now 30 years down the line, it’s apparently newsworthy that people who had a private education do better on average than those who didn’t Hmm

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 27/07/2019 09:01

Let’s not kid on - no one will vote for JC to be PM. But if it were Keir Stammer for instance then it may be different

I desperately hope Remain Tory MPs are making this clear to Labour. Fucking Jeremy Corbyn, can you imagine how different our country would be right now if we didn’t have him as Leader of the Opposition.

Alsohuman · 27/07/2019 09:03

It makes you wonder if he’s a Tory plant, doesn’t it?

Songsofexperience · 27/07/2019 09:23

Both a Tory and Russian plant maybe...

NoCryingInEngineering · 27/07/2019 09:23

STEM v non STEM shouldn't have to be a choice made at 14 though. And probably the reason it still is is because technical jobs are not valued

Mistigri · 27/07/2019 09:31

In France until this year you could postpone the STEM-nonSTEM decision to Y13. DD did a science bac with a bilingual option leaving open all STEM, social science and humanities courses. She did a year of social sciences with history, and is switching to a double history/languages degree next year.

Macron reform (with which I strongly disagree) means decisions will have to be taken earlier.

QueenOfThorns · 27/07/2019 09:38

And right on cue www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49133625

No-deal Brexit 'threatens' UK science industry, says Wellcome Trust

bookbook · 27/07/2019 09:41

de lurking just to add my pennys worth to the STEM debate. I passed my 11+ and was put into what was called a 'Grammar Stream ' at my school in the 60's . At O level , . I took 3 sciences , wasn't able to timetable in History ( which I loved ), but had to do at least 1 language and 1 'non academic ' and then carried on to do Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Maths at "A" level . I was the youngest of 4 , and my parents couldn't at the time afford for me to go to Uni , so I got a job with a very large local firm , who put me through day release to improve my qualifications , whilst I was paid to work in their Pharmacology department. These routes don't seem to be readily available these days .
(On a side note - I wasn't allowed to choose typewriting as my non academic , as I was going to University , not be a secretary ! )

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 09:50

No-deal Brexit 'threatens' UK science industry, says Wellcome Trust

And this worries Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg because.....?

PigeonofDoom · 27/07/2019 09:51

Lots of people across the science and tech industries have been saying that for the last three years, queen, but no-one seems to care. It appears that science and technology will not be needed in shiny new brexit Britain Hmm.

Songsofexperience · 27/07/2019 09:52

And this worries Boris Johnson and Rees-Mogg because.....?

I bet they're popular among at Earthers. How long you think before we're asked to prove it's round?

Eyewhisker · 27/07/2019 09:53

Excellent article on the backstop from a protestant Bishop. Shame about the comments though.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/26/dear-prime-minister-please-tread-carefully-handling-irish-border/

Johnson is giving every impression of being an old-fashioned imperialist, determined to hold onto the last remains of the Empire. Strange that all the British press ignore survey after survey which show that the Backstop is popular in NI, whose peace it is intended to protect.

Songsofexperience · 27/07/2019 09:53

*flat earthers
(Even my phone rejects the concept 😂)

BigChocFrenzy · 27/07/2019 09:57

BJ is not clever
He is dim & lazy, so he lets those around him plan strategy and do the actual work

Very useful to have such a puppet ... who can later be made a fallguy

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 10:03

Very useful to have such a puppet ... who can later be made a fallguy

You're saying Johnson will be the fall guy? I doubt it - he's the slippery sort who will be able to blame someone else.

Justaboutdone · 27/07/2019 10:12

Peregrina I do think he will be the fall guy. He’s not as clever as he thinks and he’s in with the wrong crowd. He’s been used and imo pm in name only. I really think someone else is pulling his strings

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 10:23

Who do you think is pulling his strings?

prettybird · 27/07/2019 10:25

Dh thinks the same thing - that he is a just a puppet, although he might not even realise he is Confused

This from the man who was optimistic thought that Brexit wouldn't happen because "they" would see the light at the very last minute Hmm

He's now seeing scary parallels with Germany in the early 30s and wondering how soon it will be before we see the UK equivalent of the Night of the Long Knives Sad This was before one of the tabloids (the Mirror?) had as a headline "The Night of the Blonde Knives" Shock

Peregrina · 27/07/2019 10:29

He's now seeing scary parallels with Germany in the early 30s and wondering how soon it will be before we see the UK equivalent of the Night of the Long Knives

Me too. I have been saying that for months - that it's like late 1920s/early 1930s Germany. Then DH will say, surely not, you are being pessimistic. But exactly the same was said to people in Germany who said, 'surely not, the Germans are cultured and educated people'. It did happen.

Justaboutdone · 27/07/2019 10:33

Dominic Cummings is one.
And yes I agree, BJ might just be too stupid to realise.

OublietteBravo · 27/07/2019 10:35

Did anyone else read the BBC headline “PM to fund high-speed rail tour for the North” and think “what - personally?”

QueenOfThorns · 27/07/2019 10:36

So let’s see, we don’t need science, manufacturing, farming... There won’t be much left soon. Is the plan to make the UK one big call centre? Obviously only English-speaking countries will be able to outsource to FUKD, though, because we don’t do languages either...