Ethical Spending

[KennDodd]

What Brexit supporting businesses can I boycott? And what anti Brexit ones can I support? I already know about Next, Wetherspoons and Dyson.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

Still, you will get your no deal Brexit that you all definitely voted for in 2016 despite Vote Leave campaigning on getting a deal. 😂

The ballot paper did not say anything about deals

[Cobblersandhogwash]

Christ. More moronic responses.

Ballot papers don't usually go into details, do they?

By the time the vote comes around, all the campaigning and the manifestos have been explained to voters.

Or have you seen detailed manifestos printed on ballot papers before?

If you look at the Leave literature, it specifically campaigned on leaving with a deal.

All leavers voted for different versions of leaving the EU and for different reasons.

There is no way you're all united with the same vision.

And because Leavers were dumb enough to give politicians a blank cheque with no specified details on a deal or on actually how to leave the EU, we are facing no deal.

Which moron does that?

[IWannaSeeHowItEnds]

OTOH a remain vote would have given the govt and all future govts free reign to keep Britain in the EU, no matter what and agree to any EU policy decided in the future.
Remain wasn't a vote to maintain the status quo.

[Mistigri]

The ballot paper did not say anything about deals

Nor did it say anything about leaving the EEA and the single market.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

If you look at the Leave literature, it specifically campaigned on leaving with a deal

I read many books before my exams at school, but not all questions I had to answer related to what I had read. I passed my exams and nobody has told me since that the results are not valid

[EmeraldIsle2016]

Nor did it say anything about leaving the EEA and the single market

Precisely. It was a decision between leave or remain.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

Not all questions you had to answer in your exams related to what you had read?

What an utterly ludicrous response.

Many will have read that Leave literature and believed that a deal was going to be delivered before we left the EU.

Just because you chose to ignore it and pretend Leave never campaigned on a deal is your problem. And your fantasy. Because they did base their campaign on getting a deal.

However, it's now all our problem.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

A Remain vote would have meant we stayed in the EU. That is correct.

Free reign to stay in the EU, yes.

And also at the top table of the EU, contributing to making decisions whilst still being sovereign through our own parliamentary system of democracy.

However, I too am now hoping for no deal so that all Leavers get burned.

[Mistigri]

Precisely. It was a decision between leave or remain.

Yes. No particular leave model was offered. This means that a sensible, cautious Brexit via the EEA should be quite acceptable to leavers (it would also be acceptable to many remainers).

[Cobblersandhogwash]

Perhaps an EEA Model would have been acceptable to Leavers and Remainers.

But Theresa May's red lines put a stop to all that pretty quickly, didn't they?

There was no plan.

There is still is no plan.

Nobody seems to care. Not those who voted Leave anyway.

It's pathetic. Years and years of bitching about the EU and swallowing lies about the EU and still no plan.

[Mistigri]

Yes. If we never do actually leave (and this is still a distinct possibility) it will be the fault of the people who drew those red lines and who voted down the WA.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

Many will have read that Leave literature and believed that a deal was going to be delivered before we left the EU

How can you know what people might or might not have read and what they believed? 17.4 million voted leave.

Because they did base their campaign on getting a deal

How does that prove that people voted leave based on a deal? Posters on other threads have suggested that leave was based on intangibles such; dislike of Brussels, dislike of immigration, nationalism, racism, etc.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

However, I too am now hoping for no deal so that all Leavers get burned

Will the remain supporters not get burned too?

[ListeningQuietly]

Those who voted remain and understand how bad a No Deal will be and are taking precautions will be marginally less badly burned.

Some of the very, very worst affected will be people like the folks in Sunderland and Wales and Lincolnshire.

[Mistigri]

Will the remain supporters not get burned too?

If they are on average younger and better educated then they might reasonably believe they are better equipped to face political and economic upheaval.

Personally speaking, as a remainer, I have positioned myself to make some money out of no deal if it happens. I still hope that it won't.

[EmeraldIsle2016]

I have positioned myself to make some money out of no deal if it happens

Thought only leavers had the

I am alright jack so sod the rest

Mentality

[Mistigri]

LOL - you think remainers should sit on their hands while the likes of JRM make money out of crashing and burning the economy?

I sincerely hope that no deal does not happen, because I know that most people won't be all right.

If it does happen, I hope that leave voters suffer disproportionately (which they will: demographics and all that).

[EmeraldIsle2016]

Mistigri

You have proved the point that people will think of number one when if they think the ship might sink.

I hope that leave voters suffer disproportionately (which they will: demographics and all that)

How do you work that one out when leave voters are country wide and from all socio economic groups?

[Mistigri]

leave voters are country wide and from all socio economic groups

Not really; leave vote concentrated among two groups: older voter and less educated voters.

I guess that it is true to say that only one of those groups will feel the full force of a chaotic Brexit.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

Yes. Remainers will get burned too.

But that's the way it goes.

You can't fix stupid.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

Remainers are now forced to look out for themselves, if they can, in the event of a no deal Brexshit.

If they can avoid financial misery then all power to them.

They didn't vote for the shitshow after all.

Get over it. You won. Enjoy.

[Cobblersandhogwash]

@EmeraldIsle2016 we will never know what people have or haven't read.

But what is apparent is that some people did read the side of the £350m bus and believed it.

The odd are some at least read the Leave.Eu literature and believed we would leave with a deal in place.

What you are demonstrating is that there is no cohesion or strategic vision that unites Leavers.

They all voted Leave for different reasons and none will be happy with whatever outcome emerges as a result.

Nothing holds them altogether apart from the cultish and fervent belief that the EU is the enemy and is stopping Britain from being this marvellous economic powerhouse.

Suckers.

[Peregrina]

My family's lovely and excellent Romanian dentist is leaving. She's been our family NHS dentist for eight years.

My Danish dentist, the best I ever had, has also gone. Now he always planned to retire to Denmark, but originally he planned to stay for another 5 years. Again, big thank you to Leavers.

[IWannaSeeHowItEnds]

When I go to vote, I'm choosing what I hope will benefit my country. I'm not obliged to consider the preferences of citizens from other countries. If your Danish dentist wanted to stay, no one was stopping them. Leaver's aren't rounding up people in the street and forcing them onto planes!

[Peregrina]

My Danish Dentist could have stayed - he'd been here for much of his working life. His wife worked for the EMA, so they went to Amsterdam. He was old enough to take early retirement, so he did. If we hadn't been planning to leave the EU they would have stayed until his wife was due to retire. My loss is a direct result of Brexit.