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Westministenders: A New Approach? No chance.

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2019 16:04

Next week we will have a new PM. He will be called Boris Johnson unless something very odd has happened.

His first 72 hours will be 'interesting' especially if today's events are anything to go by.

His Cabinet is sure to be a horror show. It was noticable who abstained today - they don't think they will be in a Johnson Cabinet and clearly don't want to be.

To move forward Johnson must be able to survive a rebellion and a Queen's speech before now and 31st October.

And be able to unit his party in order to find a way forward.

And whilst parliament has voted to block proroguing parliament, it could still be dissolved if there is a vote of no confidence.

And what happens if Johnson loses a vote? Will he manage to become PM? Will there be a GE.

All the signs are that next week is going to be a hell of a ride.

Enjoy your weekend.

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flouncyfanny · 23/07/2019 16:56

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lonelyplanetmum · 23/07/2019 17:23

An emotional day. My youngest DD left primary school and Johnson effectively became prime minister.

I noticed he used the word dude and mentioned education- but the words NHS did not feature unless I missed them.

LouiseCollins28 · 23/07/2019 17:26

Soooo, who's starting to feel like they miss Theresa May tonight.

NoWordForFluffy · 23/07/2019 17:28

Let's see what happens tomorrow before I start to miss TM!

LouiseCollins28 · 23/07/2019 17:31

I must admit that's a good point Fluffy! Grin

Peregrina · 23/07/2019 17:31

We can kiss the NHS goodbye. That is almost certain now.

We have to get the Tories out ASAP. The LibDems are currently enjoying a big surge in membership.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 23/07/2019 17:32

PMK.

I have terrible hay fever.

Can I blame Boris?

DGRossetti · 23/07/2019 17:37

www.nytimes.com/2019/07/22/opinion/boris-johnson-prime-minister-britain.html

LONDON — Boris Johnson, to whom lying comes as easily as breathing, is on the verge of becoming prime minister. He faces the most complex and intractable political crisis to affect Britain since 1945.

That should be concerning enough. But given Britain’s political system — which relies for its maintenance on the character and disposition of the prime minister — it carries even graver import. Mr. Johnson, whose laziness is proverbial and opportunism legendary, is a man well practiced in deceit, a pander willing to tickle the prejudices of his audience for easy gain. His personal life is incontinent, his public record inconsequential.

And his premiership could bring about the end of Britain itself.

[Boris Johnson was chosen as Theresa May’s successor on Tuesday.]

The state of the United Kingdom, a constitutional compact founded in 1922 and stretching back, in one form or another, for centuries, is severely strained. Though Brexit is primarily driven by English passions, two of the four territories in the Union — Northern Ireland and Scotland — voted to remain. Both present immediate problems for Mr. Johnson — and for the future of Britain.

In Scotland, rancor at the sense that the country’s vote counted for little and subsequent repeated bouts of parliamentary chaos have led to renewed calls for a second independence ballot. Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister, insists Scotland will hold one if Brexit takes place. One of the most adroit politicians in Britain, Ms. Sturgeon knows that despite widespread misgivings about Brexit, the majority needed for independence does not currently exist. But recent polling suggests a Johnson government might tilt the scales in her favor. An independent Scotland may be conjured out of the chicanery of Mr. Johnson’s rule.

In Northern Ireland, Mr. Johnson is beholden to the Democratic Unionist Party, a hard-line Northern Irish Protestant party on which he will depend for a majority in Parliament. That severely curtails his room for maneuver as he attempts, one way or the other, to take Britain out of the European Union.

The D.U.P. will not countenance separation from the rest of the United Kingdom — hence why the so-called backstop, effectively an insurance plan to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and its southern neighbor, fatally scuttled Theresa May’s thrice-rejected deal. It is hard to see how Mr. Johnson can extricate himself from this problem, whose protraction may have a decisive effect on the country’s internal politics. Calls for a United Ireland, encouraged by demographic change and the waning of unionist sentiment, appear to be gathering more support.

The traditional solution to such an impasse is to call fresh elections. But here too there are problems for Mr. Johnson. Current polls show a fluctuating four-way split with Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party, which peeled off much of the Conservative vote in the recent European elections, the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party. Tory activists believe only Mr. Johnson can woo back the faithful from Mr. Farage, but if he steers the party farther right it would be likely to lose more liberal-leaning seats. Though the temptation of a resounding victory may pull on Mr. Johnson’s vanity, the risk of a disastrous rout from a split base, handing Downing Street to Jeremy Corbyn and shattering the Tories, will surely be too great. And any successor to Mrs. May will fear the unpredictability of a snap election.

No way out there then. And the overall political situation has only worsened since Mrs. May’s resignation. The European Union — newly configured after parliamentary elections, with an incoming head of the commission who has emphatically ruled out reopening negotiations with Britain — is likely to be short on patience and good will. (It doesn’t help, of course, that its officials regard Mr. Johnson as a dangerous buffoon.)

At home, the rise of the Brexit Party constrains his options further. In part to nullify its threat, he has promised that unless a deal is reached by the end of October, the deadline for Britain’s departure from the bloc, he will leave without one. And as Parliament, which remains intractably divided, is very unlikely to ratify anything Mr. Johnson presents, a No Deal exit looks far from impossible. The consequences of such a development cannot be foreseen — but they will surely not redound to the benefit of Britain.

So, the political situation is inclement, the room for maneuver limited, the stakes high. For another politician, assuming power in such circumstances would be daunting — but not necessarily dangerous. In a system that grants significant autonomy to prime ministers and relies on their propriety, character matters. The same scenario can play out differently in different hands. That’s why, in the end, analysis comes back to Mr. Johnson and his terrible personality.

He prizes victory above government — his first ambition as a child was to be “world king” — and his political career has been marked by ferocity of campaigning and indifference in office, as both London mayor and foreign secretary. His contempt of scrutiny is plain to see: He was irked and petulant when challenged over budget cuts, the waste of public money on vanity projects or diplomatic gaffes. His easy talk of parliamentary prorogation — effectively suspending the legislature — may be a taste of the chaos to come.

He seems not to have principles. In the late ’90s he told a surprised colleague he was “worried I haven’t got any political opinions” — before going on to rehearse a hit parade of right-wing classics about “picanninies” and “bum boys” in his Telegraph column. While the insight into the void at the heart of Mr. Johnson’s blond ambition is striking, there are some constants to his politics other than his spectacular mendacity: his defense of bankers and pursuit of tax cuts, and a loathing for those who call him to account over facts.

Reality will prove unavoidable on Oct. 31, however Mr. Johnson bluffs. Predictions about Brexit generally assume too much stability in the status quo; Mr. Johnson’s slipperiness makes it harder still to predict. Tackling Britain’s deep divisions requires depth of character, conviction and principle, none of which its incoming prime minister has ever hinted at possessing.

In Mr. Johnson’s queasy novel, thankfully his only one to date, a thinly disguised Boris-like politician muses that “the whole world just seemed to be a complicated joke.”

Britain may be about to discover how it feels to be the punch line.

flouncyfanny · 23/07/2019 18:05

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SistemaAddict · 23/07/2019 18:08

What's the point of posting with most of it crossed out? It's headache inducing.

prettybird · 23/07/2019 18:11

What's crossed out? Confused

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2019 18:12

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/markdistefano/boris-johnson-cabinet-media-predictions?__twitter_impression=true
Here's Your Media Scorecard For All The People Predicted To Get Jobs In Boris Johnson's Cabinet

Tips for each job:

Chancellor
Javid (fav)
Raab
Davis
Truss
Hancock
Patel

Chief secretary to the Treasury
Jacob Rees-Mogg (fav)
Rishi Sunak
Robert Jenrick

Deputy PM
Amber Rudd

Jeremy Hunt
Oliver Dowden
Iain Duncan Smith
Kit Malthouse

Foreign Secretary
Notably no one predicting Hunt will stay
Liz Truss
Penny Mordaunt
Geoffrey Cox
Amber Rudd
Matt Hancock
Jacob Rees-Mogg
David Davis

Home Secretary
Penny Mordaunt

Hancock
Jeremy Hunt
Dominic Raab
Priti Patel
Nicky Morgan
Victoria Atkins

Defence Secretary
Ben Wallace

Business Secretary
Liz Truss
Priti Patel
Esther McVey
Michael Fallon

Northern Ireland secretary and housing secretary
Michael Gove
Michael Fallon

Justice secretary
Dominic Raab
Nicky Morgan

Tory party chairman
Esther McVey
Priti Patel
Michael Fallon
James Cleverly

And

The departments for Justice, Business, Culture, International Trade, Work and Pensions, Transport, and Brexit could all be abolished or merged with other departments.

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NoWordForFluffy · 23/07/2019 18:18

What does Chief Secretary to the Treasury do, exactly?

tobee · 23/07/2019 18:18

None of those cabinet predictions would be any good.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2019 18:19

No 2 at the Treasury.

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SistemaAddict · 23/07/2019 18:25

BBC news at 6 failed to mention the resignations 🤔

NoWordForFluffy · 23/07/2019 18:25

But what does that actually mean? Crunching numbers and the budget? I suppose it's the type of non-contentious role R-M would like.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 23/07/2019 18:26

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prettybird · 23/07/2019 18:27

Isn't Liz Truss currently Chief Secretary to the Treasury?

MotherOfSoupDragons · 23/07/2019 18:37

Yes, amazingly.

CanadianJohn · 23/07/2019 18:40

Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

I'm wondering if we should delete the last clause.

flouncyfanny · 23/07/2019 18:47

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Hazardtired · 23/07/2019 18:48

From wiki

Chief Secretary to the treasury

The position's responsibilities include negotiating with departments about budget allocations, public sector pay, and procurement policy.

tobee · 23/07/2019 19:16

I'm still feeling down. You know when you've been waiting for results of an interview or something? And it's bad news. Like that.

I fancy taking the kids out and us all getting rat arsed but I'm not drinking during the week. Supposedly.

Belindabelle · 23/07/2019 19:19

Listening to LBC and Andrea Loathsome has just put herself forward for Chancellor!

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