Westministenders: A New Approach? No chance.

[RedToothBrush]

Next week we will have a new PM. He will be called Boris Johnson unless something very odd has happened.

His first 72 hours will be 'interesting' especially if today's events are anything to go by.

His Cabinet is sure to be a horror show. It was noticable who abstained today - they don't think they will be in a Johnson Cabinet and clearly don't want to be.

To move forward Johnson must be able to survive a rebellion and a Queen's speech before now and 31st October.

And be able to unit his party in order to find a way forward.

And whilst parliament has voted to block proroguing parliament, it could still be dissolved if there is a vote of no confidence.

And what happens if Johnson loses a vote? Will he manage to become PM? Will there be a GE.

All the signs are that next week is going to be a hell of a ride.

Enjoy your weekend.

re his ravings about getting a new WIthdrawal Agreement:

BJ's history shows that he is not much good at withdrawing!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=7aItpjF5vXc

They are all on summer vacation this week.

It doesn't matter how much any government sneaks off wages by whatever manner they call the tax.

Eventually it will all expand to fill the pockets of the middlemen between the government and the end recipient.

And then it'll be time for another tax.

And another.

Tax expands to fill the snouts available.

Hammond is apparently going 3 hours before Johnson becomes pm. So around 9am. Allegedly.

DG The social care tax works fine in Germany

Everybody pays and then everybody can receive a care allowance at need - some have obviously done so since 1995
Social care has to be funded somehow and income tax is the fairest way

Chief Whip will be Mark Spencer - the name itself appeals to the Tory demographic !
He campaigned for Remain in 2016, when he was a backbench MP

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Confirmed:
Boris has made the first appointment to his Cabinet - his Chief Whip will be Mark Spencer. A little known but well-liked backroom operator
(original ht @MrHarryCole)

Well Boris the animal has DUP support ( what has he promised? Another 2 billion?)
We can kiss the NHS goodbye. That is almost certain now.
Boris has appointed his chief whip already didn't catch name Mark someone or other.

 Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Anne Milton refuses to rule out voting down Boris Johnson’s government, instead saying it won’t come to that:

“I won’t have to” #politicslive

The present cabinet will go anyway! If people wanted to resign it should have been last week. Ridiculous!

We may now be seeing the break up of the UK. Things are going to be so so much worse in months to come.

See I prefer if it came from income tax tbh.

All this insurance scheme does, is say that those on lower incomes have to pay more effectively than higher earners, or not have cover in the future at all.

It only fuels the two tier social service system problem we already have.

My grandmother's care isn't covered by the state. There isn't enough funding for her, so she tops it up. If she couldn't afford to do that I don't know what would happen. She needs so many hours of carers a day, and without paying she wouldn't get it. She's 94.

In the UK, many people hitting 35 - 40 have limited pension plans as it is, in no small part due to the cost of housing. And are unlikely to get a state pension as things go.

They are having children later, so will be hitting the point of the social care insurance just as they have young children.

A voluntary tax at age 40 is nuts. I just don't know how many will afford it. They certainly won't sign up to it.

So how does this solve the issue?

The other issue remains that baby boomers are net receivers from the state system whilst their children are net contributers over the course of their life. And Boris isn't tackling that either.

This 'work hard all your life shit' pisses me off as it suggests that people in their 30s and early 40s are somehow lazy and havent done that.

We do need to look at the issue and funding the system better, but how we do it and where the money comes from is important.

I don't see Johnson’s proposal as a solution. It just drives a bigger wealth divide /generation divide rather than ensuring that everyone who needs care from the system in the future will get it even the basic level they need.

Sadly, this isn't Germany and our structural inequality makes this all the harder to address.

"I know, I know, some wag has already pointed out that deliver, unite and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign, since unfortunately it spells ‘dud’. But they forgot the final ‘E’ my friends. ‘E’ for erec...election, 'E' is for Election."

DG The social care tax works fine in Germany

Which suggests that Germany has found a way to curtail the rapaciousness of private industry.

And without being quite as snippy as it sounds, looking to the continent for ideas isn't really the order of the day at the moment - if it ever was.

"I know, I know, some wag has already pointed out that deliver, unite and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign, since unfortunately it spells ‘dud’. But they forgot the final ‘E’ my friends. ‘E’ for erec...election, 'E' is for Election."

Or "Excellence", as some of us might recall ....

Dark days ahead, my dear friends x

I hate all the extra taxes. They cost extra to administer, and it all adds up to us paying the same as Scandinavia, but without Scandinavian levels of social care, because all the money is wasted. Taxing people on their dole payments, for instance; how much does it cost someone to work out the £2 or whatever it is that is owed in tax, not to mention sending out and filing, and checking all the necessary paperwork etc..

Simple income tax, at a properly sensible rate (with a reasonable sliding scale etc.), is so much more efficient, and requires fewer accountants etc. to administer.

It's simple really.

Simple income tax, at a properly sensible rate (with a reasonable sliding scale etc.), is so much more efficient, and requires fewer accountants etc. to administer.

Yep.

buffy yup

*Anne Milton refuses to rule out voting down Boris Johnson’s government, instead saying it won’t come to that:

“I won’t have to” #politicslive*

What could she mean by that??

That's where I differ Bellini - I think calling him Johnson afford him too much respect

BoJo gets across that he is a clown - although perhaps not sufficiently what a dangerous clown he is

I could call him BJ - shortening from BJob

I suppose fuckwheeblingcockwomblingcunt is too long? Actually that still sounds too friendly.

If only Angus Deyton hadn't taken cocaine.....

So he's going to "love bomb" those who didn't vote for him? What a stupid idiot!

Simple income tax, at a properly sensible rate (with a reasonable sliding scale etc.), is so much more efficient, and requires fewer accountants etc. to administer.

But you miss the point. All of that applies if the tax system is intended to serve the country as a whole. Not quite sure why people look at the UKs tax system and say "that doesn't deliver for the country" as if it was ever meant to.

YOU'LL BE AMAZED WITH THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK

Look at the UKs tax system.
See who it benefits.
Ask yourself it that's an accident, or by design.