No Deal supporters? Can you see any downsides? If so, why are these outweighed by the upsides.

[bellinisurge]

Genuine question. I was prepared to accept WA but that was apparently not sufficient. So, why is No Deal better?

The US is more than Trump. There is a massive irish-american lobby that has serious clout

And?

@bellinisurge, also forgot to mention that 1 of the posters I referenced only admitted to living/working in another country when pushed to by another poster and was very angry in having to do so, so they didn’t offer the information freely.

@LifeContinues - And?

He needs to get any deals through Congress, as I'm sure you already know.

And LifeContinues, your implying that the GFA can be trashed because right wing Tories find it an inconvenience and Trump opens his big mouth, mean that they will have an influence on Congress. The Congress who will decide that respecting the GFA does matter and it's not their job to make life easier for the Tory party, or Brexiters in general.

@Thebigbagtheory I'm don't care about the finer feelings of anyone who supports No Deal.

There is no merit to any attempt by the EU to prevent the UK from leaving in fact it would be very counterproductive.
It is the fact that the UK governments have had such a hostile attitude to the EU that is causing a significant problem, and have been progressively disruptive as Ivan Rogers pointed out, diplomats were instructed to be as disruptive and unhelpful as they could.
What the EU will not allow is the basic pillars of the EU to be undermined but Theresa, spurred on by the ERG created their red lines to directly cause a problem.
If the UK wants to 'fight' the EU, it will come out second.

GFA should in general be given higher priority than desire to leave. Given UK’s historic often very unwelcome interference in Irish affairs, I think we have a duty to ensure that the peace and well-being of Irish and NI citizens is maintained.

@bellinisurge, thanks for your reply. So people who chose not to use their vote opinion matter, except Lifecontinues because they don’t share your opinion. It would have been so much easier if you’d have disclosed this information earlier.
I’m surprised your relatives weren’t the one’s what woz done out of their votes living out of the country and all that.

He needs to get any deals through Congress, as I'm sure you already know

You think Congress will block Trumps desire to infiltrate the NHS and to be finally able to sell the allegedly ghastly USA food to the UK?

GFA can be respected by an offshore customs zone/Freeport zone. Scrap HS2 and the funds will be available.

WA wording is the issue rather than the GFA itself.

Thanks @Thebigbagtheory . @LifeContinues has been cheerfully posting as if they were directly affected. Clearly they are not. My view of No Dealers remains unchanged. I will never show any respect for anyone who wants to inflict this on use. Particularly if they don't live here.
I don't assume Leave voters support No Deal. I assume they have more honour.

"GFA can be respected by an offshore customs zone/Freeport zone. Scrap HS2 and the funds will be available."
Is this your "concrete over the Isle of Man" plan. Good luck shoving stuff offshore and then dragging it back inland before sending it over the border to the customer who lives less than a mile away. That'll keep costs down. 😂

I'm don't care about the finer feelings of anyone who supports No Deal

Or anyone else who expresses a different opinion to your it would appear.

Debates are useful as they bring more points to the table. There have been some valid points raised on this thread and some good questions asked. However, when posts resort to; attacks, inappropriate words, point scoring, rudeness the thread becomes pointless.

Many threads on the subject of why people voted leave and as some have pointed out those who support leave don’t engage often as they are labelled either; racist, stupid, thick, etc., and remain supporters are superior to all leave voters

I confine my contempt for No Dealers. But play the victim if you like.

@LifeContinues - You think Congress will block Trumps desire to infiltrate the NHS and to be finally able to sell the allegedly ghastly USA food to the UK?

Yes, actually, I do. I think you underestimate the power of the lobby and overestimate the importance of the UK. I'm not saying no deal will be done but it will include unpalatable conditions to restore the GFA.

GFA can be respected by an offshore customs zone/Freeport zone. Scrap HS2 and the funds will be available.

Really? How will that work when bringing the milk from the north to the creamery in the south and the cream back north again? It is unviable. How will it work in terms of cross border cooperation for health and emergency services? The fire engine from the south going to an emergency up north will have to go via your concrete block in the Irish Sea? How will it ensure parity of rights for citizens north and south?

@bellinisurge, Lifecontinues has already admitted that the outcome won’t directly affect them, they are still entitled to comment having parents living in the UK, which was your initial issue. I can only quote a poster who I can see posting today, who lives and works outside the U.K. as saying that although they wouldn’t be affected by Brexit they’d family living there and were entitled to be concerned as expressed in their opinion.
I’m sure to Lifecontinues your estimation of them matters little as you show little respect for anyone who doesn’t share your views.
For clarity, I live in the U.K. and was entitled to vote, which I did, so hope this also entitles me to my opinion.

The fire engine from the south going to an emergency up north will have to go via your concrete block in the Irish Sea? How will it ensure parity of rights for citizens north and south?

So NI which is over 14,000 square kilometres in size does not have its own emergency services and has to rely on ROI? Surely not?

Does NI not have any creamery?

@LifeContinues - So NI which is over 14,000 square kilometres in size does not have its own emergency services and has to rely on ROI? Surely not?

Do you actually know anything about NI or the GFA and how cross-border co-operation has been implemented? It seems not.

Maybe go and do a bit of research rather than spouting nonsensical, unimplementable solutions to something you patently have no understanding of.

@LifeContinues I have followed your comments with interest to try to see what you're getting at and of course your views on a public forum are as allowable as the next persons. But I'm genuinely interested in why you are posting? Typically posters like to suggest, oppose, debate, learn, or entertain; some posters do all at once. You don't seem to do any, so what are you here for?

@Thebigbagtheory happy to hear others opinions. It's why I started this thread because No Deal is a dreadful option and I wanted to understand why people go for it. Turns out it's the usual drivel about feelings with little regard for GFA. I have zero respect for that.

I voted Remain but have lobbied on here for WA because I respect the majority wish to Leave. But not at any cost.

You don't seem to do any, so what are you here for?

To

to suggest, oppose, debate, learn

Maybe look at the posts again. Not just on this thread, but others. There are examples of all what you referenced.

@LifeContinues you haven't done any of this things and you certainly haven't answered the original question.

@bellinisurge I will respectfully bow out from this thread as I have nothing more to add and will continue to read from afar.
@lifecontinues thank you for sharing your views, enjoy the sunshine??? best wishes from the U.K.

If the border solution costs a significant amount to set up and maintain (eg block of concrete in Irish Sea), it does change the calculus of the leave/remain position.

Fair enough some people will want to leave whatever the cost; but some in poor areas may have voted because they thought overall more money would be available to them if we leave EU. They might not be too happy if HS2 or funding for the north is cancelled to come up with an adequate border solution. I’m just speculating though - I’m a southern remainer so happy to be told that this is not the case.

Namenic
The border would not literally be 'in the sea' but the port areas would be enlarged to hold all trucks (particularly) in a secure compound, something similar to airports where the runways are only accessible to authorised persons. There are bonded warehouses where goods that are stored are in a transitional tax state, they are on UK soil but the duty has not yet been paid.

The root causes of Brexit were that the UK governments have not been 'fair' to many parts of the UK outside London and some parts of the South East. The Tory party 'tiff' has grown out of all proportion and due to shit stirring, by the likes of Farage, and the failure of the government to actually govern the country in an equitable way, we have ended up in this mess.
To reduce delays customs could be organised to actually be carried out during the sea crossing, although there would probably objections to that.
Rotterdam port has an enclosed area extending for many kilometres as it deals with goods from all over the world and customs and security has to be completed for everything.