Reasons as to why you voted leave?

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Ladies & Gents,

This is really old news but I am new to mumsnet & would be interested as to why exactly you voted "leave" rather than "remain". Just your very honest opinion, I am not here to judge, just very intrigued.

LifeContinues So what else caused both conservatives and labour to lose almost half their support in two years other than failing to deliver Brexit?

Use your imagination, why don't you? As an erstwhile Labour voter, I can tell you that Labour lost my support when it failed to oppose the government and when JC decided to sit on the fence for 3 years. There are probably millions more like me, who have now transferred their support to parties like LibDem, Green and SNP, who are actively working to protect the interests of the 48%. There are also a lot of Tory voters who will have shifted their allegiance to PRO-EU parties. HTH.

In work or out of work. ie employed or unemployed. Not possible to be both at the same time.

LOL at this analogy, LifeContinues. Where have you been for the past five years or so? Zero hours contracts make it effectively possible to be simultaneously employed/unemployed, ie. you can have a contract of employment which doesn't guarantee a single hour's work.

How do we know that it wasn't just not implementing Brexit which caused Labour and the Tories to lose voters? Because if you are active in other political parties, you actually talk to people and ask if they would mind telling you why. You then get answers to say things like 'I would normally vote Conservative/Labour/whatever but a vote for your party is the best chance of getting someone elected who is committed to stopping Brexit.'

Whether they will permanently return to their previous folds only time will be able to tell.

{LifeContinues. Where have you been for the past five years or so?}
He is, IIRC in Malaysia.

Ah ... a man in Malaysia. Very clued in to life in the UK then. And, no doubt paying his taxes here too.

Funny how @LifeContinues likes quoting the gross UK contribution to the EU figures because that’s a bigger number than the actual UK contribution but doesn’t like others quoting the actual percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit because that’s a smaller number.

And it’s “electorate” not “eligible electorate” .

Yeah I mean, they'd have to be eligible to be the electorate in the first place. I nearly replied back to Life with this.

Absolutely - the electorate are those registered to vote. I calculated a while ago that there are several million people in the UK that are not registered to vote that could be.

And ask the Scots about 37% of the electorate being a “mandate”.

Songsofexperience

You said leaving will give us back our standing in the world.

Um, I don't think I did. Perhaps you could remind us all when I said that.

For balance - the Guardian is not a reliable source since it has a bias towards Remain. But then you know that don't you.

if the majority voted to make a minority group be on some sort of register, or be barred from owning property say, that's fine?

2016 referendum was whether or not UK wanted to remain in the EU. Where did determination of who and could not own property form part of the vote?

effectively possible to be simultaneously employed/unemployed, ie. you can have a contract of employment which doesn't guarantee a single hour's work

Do such persons qualify for JSA (Job Seekers Allowance) or any other unemployment benefit that is available.

And, no doubt paying his taxes here too

On UK source income yes.

Funny how @LifeContinues likes quoting the gross UK contribution to the EU figures because that’s a bigger number than the actual UK contribution

The gross payment to EU is 50 Million per day. The net payment after rebate varies so not possible to quote a precise figure.

but doesn’t like others quoting the actual percentage of the electorate voting for Brexit because that’s a smaller number

Hoe does the concept of Gross and Net apply to votes?

And ask the Scots about 37% of the electorate being a “mandate”

Scotland are entitled to vote for independence if they wish.

Breakdown of population in UK is;

England 84.1%

Scotland 8.3%
Wales 4.8
NI 2.8%
Sub total 15.9%

Would it be democratic that 84.1% were dictated to by 15.9%? No as democracy is respecting majorities as opposed to minorities.

So in UK referendums and UK General Elections there is a high likelihood of the English preference being the overall preference. It is the gamble you take when forming a union with another Country whose population is massively larger than your own.

I see Scotland's wish for independence from UK as being the same as UK's wish for independence from the EU. Tired of being dictated to by "big brother"'

I have crossed swords with male posters based in the Far East before, pontificating on what's best for the UK. Or maybe it's the same one. If it's going to be so great here why don't you come back and live here.

Hoe does the concept of Gross and Net apply to votes?

As you well know, it’s not the concept of nett and gross, it’s the concept of manipulating figures - 52% of those that voted is bigger than 37% of the electorate, £350million per week is bigger than the actual figure of £250million - and in addition the Treasury knows how much then comes back to the UK in the way of CAP, structure funding etc (£75million per week).

Scotland are entitled to vote for independence if they wish.

They did. In 1979. 52% of those that voted, voted for devolution.

But because less than 40% of the electorate voted for Constitutional change the referendum result was not upheld.

@bellinisurge Wonder if this is the lovely poster from a few months ago that was boasting of returning from the Far East to use the NHS?

Seem to remember that one also boasting about posting for a bet.

@ContinuityError

If it's going to be so great here why don't you come back and live here

Not that keen on the high UK Taxes. Weather is poor.

Some leave supporters may ask remain supporters a similar question;

If being in the EU is best why not move to EU?

No @LifeContinues . I have no desire to move to the EU. Don't worry about high taxes. They will get higher after Brexit but you won't need to pay them with your tax avoidance plans.
If you think it is going to be so brilliant here, come back here.
If you don't like the weather, I wonder how those people who don't have your options feel about it.

Taxes aren't particularly high in the UK.

Why should Remainers leave to be where we are at present i.e. the EU?

{For balance - the Guardian is not a reliable source since it has a bias towards Remain.}

While it is obviously useful to be aware of the various bias of newspapers (and all 'news' outlets) the real issue is of trust in whether things they say are facts rather than opinions. If they say that 5 people were killed in a crash, that is a 'fact'. The padding around it, setting the scene for example may be subject to 'fabrication' or bias.
If it is important that you do have reliable information about a particular event, you would examine the commonality from 3 or more, preferably independent sources. The UK has got itself into a mess by too many taking the Mail and Express as 'gospel'.

The UK has got itself into a mess by too many taking the Mail and Express as 'gospel'

Daily Mail has a circulation of 1.2 million
Daily Express has a circulation of 300,000

So combined total is 1.5 million. Assume 4 persons per household and they all read the newspaper that is 6 million. Well short of the 17.4 Million that voted leave unless there are another 12 million plus reading from the internet?

However, it is safe to say that the media is a powerful persuader.

Taxes aren't particularly high in the UK

Look on the link

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

UK comes second