Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

[RedToothBrush]

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

It seems to allow them to justify this avoidable trashing of our economy

Surely this must be a slight improvement, if people are starting to admit no deals shit we might see an end to “no deal, no problem”

I am fast coming to the conclusion that both candidates expect to be stopped by Parliament, so they are saying whatever their audience wants to hear on the basis that they won't need to implement it.

I think there is a reasonable chance that Hunt's approach has the objective of provoking push-back from moderate business-minded Tories and from big business, and that it's about moving the Overton window on Brexit slightly back towards sanity.

I don't think he expects to win, but out of all the candidates he is probably the craftiest and - Stewart aside - the only one of the bigger names with anything that you could reasonably describe as an intellect.

{Surely this must be a slight improvement, if people are starting to admit no deals shit we might see an end to “no deal, no problem”}

But what are the bone head 'we must Brexit at all costs' going to DO?
When they get angry (ier) who will they vent their spleen on?

I wonder at what point the grown up businesspeople are going to have to start letting staff know that depending on what happens Sept-Dec 2019, their jobs might be on the line ?

To paraphrase the appropriately monikered Dr. Johnson, "it might concentrate the mind" ?

But what are the bone head 'we must Brexit at all costs' going to DO

Fair point LeClerc I was trying to be rational. I forgot it was all about the feelz

"it might concentrate the mind"

My theory is that this is the Hunt strategy: blithely promise Armageddon and then hope that everyone starts yelling at you not to push the button.

Bozo is enough of a bozo to think that he can still blag his way through this, but Hunt certainly isn't.

In and out in 2 hours...not bad!
He is strapped up for 2 weeks.

Well we have another 3 weeks of "I'm sorry you lost your job", "I'm sorry your business went bust", "I'm sorry your medicines aren't available" and so on ....

If it wasn't for the fact we have no evidence they are capable of the mental prowess and lack of ego required to do the best thing for the country, it would be possible to view Hunt and Johnson as working as a team to slowly unveil the horrors of Brexit and turn the guns back on Leave. As I commented a few years ago, the soft underbelly of Leave is their aversion to actually owning Brexit. We haven't yet seen what the conclusion of such a move might be. We can already sense it's working because we've had the return of "it will be the EUs fault" ... which is a harder one to spin after the two extensions the UK was granted, although I'm sure the Telexpressamail will manage it effortlessly.

@MotherOfSoupDragons
"So what is the effin point?"

Power at any cost? I wish I knew. We are in an insane situation as acknowledged by the number of senior civil servants leaving (because who wants 'I managed the Brexit bust-up" on their CV?).

The Tory candidates seem to think they can spin their way out of this one.

Remember that Mark Francois/Andrew Bridgen (can't tell the two red faced chubby angry middle-aged men apart ) is already on record as saying that it is the EU that is breaching the GFA

There can be no better demonstration of cognitive dissonance than Leavers simultaneously insisting that only No Deal is True Brexit and therefore we Must No Deal, and that No Deal is the nasty-punishment-bullying-EU's fault and being Done To Us.

Have had a medication change myself as has ds1.

Trying to get ahead of the curve medication shortage wise...

I do love all this "Let's spend money on farmers to prepare them for Brexit", "Let's cut corporation tax" etc.

A:- Why not spend it on the NHS as per the "promise" on the bus?
B:- Hang on a moment... wasn't Brexit meant to give us MORE money, not leave holes that need to be plugged, support payments for farmers, emergency budgets (wasn't that Project Fear??!)

You know... in the distance I can hear something... yes... a faint clucking.. Something like chickens coming home to roost.

Damn - I know it is not good to take joy in people planning to trash the economy, but if the only light I can see at the end of the tunnel is the speeding train that will hit the Conservative party first (before it hits the rest of us), I will take what joy I can find...

Hope all ok @Iambuffy . No fun being strapped up especially if it's hot.

OK, sorry not a cat, or even dog picture but the BBC website has a story about an young arctic fox traveling 3,500 Km in 76 days.
Maybe it's just me (although DGR might be on a similar wavelength) but this sentence stood out in relation to 'our' own dear Dr Fox:

{But she will definitely have to change her eating habits - "Ellesmere Island foxes live largely on lemmings, }
The pictures are beautiful though so worth a look.

www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-48824181

It's the main reason that BJ and the ERG keep pushing these ridiculous border proposals and the debunked GATT 24:

so they can claim that No Deal is the EU's fault, when the EU again rejects these fantasies.

Business let staff know that voting leave would be likely to impact their jobs and lots voted leave anyway.
I am starting to think Brexit is just a modern religion and a pretty fundamentalist one at that.

I am starting to think Brexit is just a modern religion and a pretty fundamentalist one at that.

It has all the hallmarks of one. And for once, that's not me being snippy. Possibly proving G.K. Chestertons bon mots ?

Such a contrast to the accomplishments of the British Liam Fox breed.

That reminds me,
since Fox is one of Hunt's supporters, I must post:

Fox backs Hunt ! 😂

Hunt and BJ "want a deal" like some people desperately want a lottery win

As someone who desperately wants a lottery win - I would just like to say that I at least remember to buy a ticket and abide by the rules as stated by Camelot. I am much more in touch with reality than either of these two bozos (and my chances of winning are probably better than their chances of renegotiating a deal - 1 in 63 million beats 0)

Hunt this morning made his No Deal deadline 30 September

“If my judgement is that there is no deal to be done, I will immediately cease all discussions with the European Union and focus the whole country’s attention on no deal preparations.”

Well - at least we can now time the no confidence vote for the 1st Oct ... except that that will still end in no deal because there will be no one to stop it, if parliament is dissolved. Fucking fuck wit! (Hunt - not you BCF )

Oh dear God, Hunt is depending on Grayling to keep the country running:

" I will also establish a National Logistics Committee led by the Department for Transport to produce a plan to keep goods flowing in and out of the UK in the event of No Deal."

< I'd love to think Grayling would be replaced, but no time for a new minister to learn which drawers have the ferry contracts etc >

Hunt, despite his time in govt, seems to have no idea how long it takes even to set up the team,
organise offices, internet etc and learn what they are supposed to be doing