Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

[RedToothBrush]

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

{BTW I wondered why Pretty's Dad was against Dettol.}

I think it is the idea that taking the 'nuclear' option towards cleaning things actually brings more problems. The body is fantastic at fighting disease and infections most of the time but 'over cleaning' things reduces the 'practice' that the bodies immune systems rely on.
Mild 'soap' is probably good for 90% of cleaning jobs.
It would probably put you off your tea to think about all the processes that your body handles all the time.

Pretty much what 1tisILeClerc said - he explained better than I did

My late DM wasn't in the over cleaning business, so that can't have been why she used it, quite so much.

But that's a digression.

Light relief for mother & other pet-owners: when / not to call the Fire Brigade 😂

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strange-999-calls-locked-toilets-hoax-april-fool-london-fire-brigade-a8847806.html

Firefighters revealed a list of their strangest 999 calls – including a child with their head stuck in a potty – as they urged the public to use “a little bit of common sense”.

The London Fire Brigade said they had responded to 659 incidents of people getting locked in toilets
and 59 relating to dogs and cats trapped in unusual places in the last three years.

Seventeen calls were about children with their heads stuck in toilet seats.

The fire brigade was also called out to a woman stuck up a tree while trying to retrieve a cat,
a pet snake trapped in a ring,
a pigeon lodged in a chimney,
a cat stuck in a gutter after jumping out of a skylight
and a hamster wedged between a toilet and a wall.
.....
< Actually animals are less daft than blokes - 2013 had that classic 999 call of "penis stuck in toaster"
don't know why I assume he is now a Brexiter >

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penis-stuck-in-toaster-firefightersnn_4064927?

An unidentified London man is nursing his knob after firefighters had to extract his penis from a toaster.
It’s unclear how the gentleman got it in there

{An unidentified London man is nursing his knob after firefighters had to extract his penis from a toaster.
It’s unclear how the gentleman got it in there}

And I thought being on MN was a silly idea!

I suppose with the penis beaker threads things could have got real tricky mixing a toaster and water.

Westministender chaps are far too sensible / normal to get in that sort of pickle

Nigel Farage, the leader of the Brexit party, said the leaked material showed why Darroch should be replaced as ambassador to the US. “From the moment Trump was elected this man was the wrong person to be the British ambassador – a globalist in outlook, totally opposed to the Trump doctrine,” Farage said.

Darroch is due to leave his post at the end of this year, but the leak may encourage the next prime minister to announce his successor more quickly. Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, and George Osborne, the Tory former chancellor who now edits the Evening Standard, have been named in the media as potential candidates for the Washington post. Trump once suggested Farage should be put in charge of the Washington embassy.

The Mail on Sunday scoop was written by Isabel Oakeshott, the journalist who ghost-wrote The Bad Boys of Brexit, an insider account of Farage’s role in the 2016 EU referendum. On Sunday she posted a message on Twitter dismissing claims that the leaks were influenced by a hidden agenda.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/07/foreign-office-orders-inquiry-into-leak-of-cables-on-trump?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

ElenadeClermont
I noticed that piece earlier and it struck me as odd that Darroch would actually say anything that might have got into the public domain.
Knowing this stuff, and thinking it, even sharing the thoughts with others at ambassadorial level is one thing, but leaking?

Should our next ambassador to Saudi Arabia be someone who supports a theocratic dictatorship
and flogging or dismembering dissidents ?

{and flogging or dismembering dissidents ?}

Isn't Boris thinking of strengthening the penalties in the UK?

I v much doubt if he himself leaked - or even wanted to leak - what he said
Almost certainly someone else, at a lower level, stirring the pot for whatever motive

It is a serious matter, that can interfere with UK ambassadors to any country doing their job:

they are supposed to give the F.O. / govt their honest, unvarnished analyses of their host country and leadership
That may not happen in future, if they fear leaks

Apparent Gavin Williamson leaked it as a revenge on Sedwill.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-48901624
UK ambassador to Washington/leaked emails describing the Trump administration in less than glowing terms.

Coming hot on the heels of the former head of MI6's extraordinary public denouncement of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt and his phrase 'political nervous breakdown', would it be fair to assume that there is a concerted campaign being waged by senior civil servants and others in senior roles in security with the aim of throwing a spanner in the works of Brexit?

Bearing in mind too the remarks of Philip Hammond at the Mansion House.

Leaking ambassadorial or other highly confidential briefings is a bad tactic,
because of the longterm problems it causes of not being able to risk giving frank opinions in confidence

If we're talking shit ambassadors, has anyone mentioned one Joe Kennedy, yet ?

He was a real shitbag @DGRossetti . Makes a guest appearance in Fatherland. And not a surprising one.

Studiously avoiding brexshit talk...

I agree wrt anti bac overuse. My dsis uses anti bac everything...even washing up liquid!
She is always ill.

We use good old fashioned soap. I find the cheaper the bar the better.

@WhatWouldScoobyDoo

Bit late as just catching up with the thread but thanks for the Dettol tip. I didn't know

In light of the idea that Williamson may have leaked it, maybe it was an effort to throw a spanner into a revolt by MI6, senior diplomats and senior civil service bods..

I can foresee allegations of disloyalty, etc..

I am back checking in from the land of batshit Tories.

Today's best batshit post was that women shouldn't be in politics because it de-stabilises social hierarchies and leads to the breakdown of social norms

I've also had a lot of debate about Islamaphobia, with some pretty...I was going to say 'shocking' but actually not very shocking posts on the matter.

I am enjoying trolling them though (in a very polite way with facts).

Well, except the guy who said the thing about women. I wasn't polite to him.

Oh...and just in case you're not aware Jess Phillips' son being involved in a quiet, small demonstration on school funding is child abuse

Oh, also getting to tell them they're being snowflakes when appropriate