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Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

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RedToothBrush · 30/06/2019 11:54

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

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OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 20:51

I got my ballot paper for the leadership contest today. The candidate leaflets are terrible.

How is point #6 relevant? Is only just beating a LibDem candidate a useful leadership quality? Or is he trying to give me hope that he won’t be PM for long because he’ll lose his seat in a GE?

Westminstenders: Long live liberalism
PostNotInHaste · 04/07/2019 20:55

Widdecombe is my MEP so I emailed her over the back turning episode. Her reply:

‘Thank you for this email. Our protest was quiet and dignified, involving neither noise nor disruption. We recognise the flags and anthems of all the countries here but the EU is not a country. It is a federal superstate on which the British people turned their backs in 2016.’

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 20:58

A quick Google tells me that Hunt’s majority is 21,590 (35.7%). Now I’m even more confused by point #6 Confused

Carpediem1 · 04/07/2019 21:06

Thank you for posting this reply PostNotinHaste. I emailed Ann Widdecombe (and the other south west Brexit MEPs) about their disgraceful back turning stunt. I did attach that scarily similar picture of the Nazi Reichstag - I still haven't yet had a reply!.

Peregrina · 04/07/2019 21:08

Hunt's point 4 is a confused mess - what has reforming social care got to do with Education?

Carpediem1 · 04/07/2019 21:16

Indeed Peregrina. Also point 2 "turbo charged" What? Useful reminder that he is an entrepreneur. Don't think the Ken Doll has mentioned this before...

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:19

For comparison here is the same section from the Boris leaflet. Such weasel words.

Westminstenders: Long live liberalism
1tisILeClerc · 04/07/2019 21:19

OublietteBravo
Please tell me that flyer is your year 5 child doing an IT lesson,,,,,please!

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:22

Jeremy’s letter

Westminstenders: Long live liberalism
OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:22

And the one from Boris:

Westminstenders: Long live liberalism
1tisILeClerc · 04/07/2019 21:23

OublietteBravo
Crikey, your year 4 is having a go too with the Boris poster.

Carpediem1 · 04/07/2019 21:23

No no no 1tisLeClerk. Didn't you know that less is more!

1tisILeClerc · 04/07/2019 21:28

So we are aiming for a homeopathic government. Can anyone explain how it might work?

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:31

(Johnson’s Foreign Secretary “achievements” are particularly underwhelming)

NoWordForFluffy · 04/07/2019 21:32

Boris is a wee bit obsessed with Corbyn!

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:33

FFS “I believe there’s a deal to be had” and “Choose me for results over rhetoric” in the same letter (Hunt’s). There is a deal to be had, but unfortunately parliament have voted against the WA 3 times already.

And “as someone who joined the party at 19, I will transform our appeal to young people” - how does that work then? Confused

NoWordForFluffy · 04/07/2019 21:38

This one pisses me off. So he's either a liar or delusional. What part of no more negotiation does he fail to get?

How utterly thick as pig shit are our politicians? Angry

Westminstenders: Long live liberalism
BigChocFrenzy · 04/07/2019 21:40

Boris Johnson is poised to become prime minister. Is he up to the job? (NO !!)

https://www.ft.com/content/9c7a133a-9d22-11e9-b8ce-8b459ed04726

As the bus-hobby video clip went viral, online-content strategists pointed out that by talking about buses,

the former foreign secretary had successfully crowded out from online searches what would normally come up if you google “Boris and bus”:

the infamous red bus in the 2016 EU referendum campaign, which falsely claimed that Britain sent £350m a week to Brussels, and which added:
“Let’s fund our NHS instead.”
....
Johnson now presents himself as the man to sort out Brexitt^ and “pitchfork this incubus off our back”.

One Tory MP sighs: “He’s the one who put it there.”
.....
In European capitals, the former foreign secretary is widely regarded as a policy lightweight,
who busked his way through the referendum and is now thrashing around fanciful ideas to try to get out of the mess he created.

“On Brexit, he always spoke in general terms,” says Claus Grube, former Danish ambassador in London.
“You were never really sure what was a joke and what was government policy.”

Another EU ambassador says:
“There was always a feeling he was working off the basis of a hunch.”

One story recounted by the London diplomatic corps is how Johnson, as foreign secretary and champion of a free-trading “Global Britain”,
was taken by surprise when told that Britain did more trade with the Netherlands and Ireland than with China.
....
his supporters are determined to protect him from his own worst instincts.
Having learnt from his back catalogue of mistakes, gaffes and provocative quotes, his team are playing it safe and initially limited his public appearances.

< how do they plan to stop the gaffes when he talks to foreign leaders ? Answer: Mission Impossible >

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2019 21:42

They’re all obsessed with Corbyn. The covering letter from Brandon Lewis begins:

“We’ve got two great candidates. Either would make an excellent Prime Minister. But we must not forget that there’s a third person who wants to be Prime Minister - Jeremy Corbyn.”

The entire letter is 13 sentences long. Corbyn is mentioned in 3 of them. And yet the Leader’s Fund (persuading you to donate to this fund is the purpose of the letter) is only mentioned twice.

NoWordForFluffy · 04/07/2019 21:43

They're more obsessed with Corbyn than Corbyn himself. He wouldn't be getting any mentions given how invisible he is if they didn't keep banging on about him.

1tisILeClerc · 04/07/2019 21:48

What sort of box or container does this 'Brexit' come in, that Boris is going to deliver?
He doesn't seem to mention another 2 or 3 years of negotiations that happen after the (or a) WA is signed.

NoWordForFluffy · 04/07/2019 21:51

A squashed box that the Yodel driver left in your wheelie bin on collection day!

BigChocFrenzy · 04/07/2019 22:06

3 years might have been possible for an amicable Norway+, where the govt was united on its negotiating aims

After a No Deal it may take years for the UK to decide what it wants and hence to start serious negotiations

Once started, those negotiations, for a complex economy like the UK, could taken 10 years+ to complete
A fairly average time to negotiate a trade deal

I expect we'd do minideals first,
BUT only after the UK has signed up to the 3 EU preconditions:
backstop, exit bill, expat rights

Peregrina · 04/07/2019 22:08

Johnson seems confused as to who he wants to see off most - Corbyn or the Brexit party.

Mind you, if anything happened to Farage that would be the end of the Brexit party, although the disgruntled ones wouldn't necessarily go back to the Tories.

pollyannaperspective · 04/07/2019 22:11

Jeremy Hunt is MP for South West Surrey. In 2010 he won with 58% of the votes cast. Lib Dem came second with 30%. In 2015 and 2017 the percentage vote for JH was over 50%. This has not been a marginal seat ever. Before JH this was Virginia Bottomley's constituency.

Yet another example of playing 'fast and loose' with the facts.

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