Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

[RedToothBrush]

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

I've always thought that Murdoch and the US right had different motivations and goals:

For the US, it is mainly about trying to destroy their main trade rival, so that they can then dominate the individual countries in new trade negotiations.

A US trade negotiator said that the US does little more than fax other countries the trade deal they have to sign, ^
but they have to actully negotiate with the EU as an eonomic equal, which they are not usd to doing.

Murdoch used to be pro-EU for business reasons, higher profits in a strong UK economy etc
but then became frustrated when he couldn't dominate EU opinion & politicians like he does in the much smaller UK

He reportedly said when asked why he was so opposed to the European Union:

“When I go into Downing Street they do what I say;
when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”

The idea of Trump turning on Fox news has broadened my smile.

Ultimately that's always what happens ... so much so that we have a saying "bites the hand that feeds" ...

It's paying the Dane-geld, really.

Farage has been reported several times as wishing to destroy the Tory party

maybe because he knows that on FPTP, 2 rightwing parties just split the vote and give few seats

or just because of hurt pride that many years ago, they rejected him as a candidate for MP - he was then far too rightwing for the Tories, but now is the members' darling.

I'm expecting the Farage party will diisintegrate like UKIP did, but it may take a few years
So maybe the right will be out of power until one dominant party of the right emerges

• question is: will it be One Nation right of centre, or will it be hard right

I have literally just used the same words to ds1 DG!

@lonleyplanetmum you knew it was silly and unfair to people of faith but posted it anyway. Not making yourself look good on any level.

Yes you are probably right Lambuffet because the joke involved religion so I'm happy to apologise for that.

I and so very many people were shocked at how Nigel Farage, Anne Widdecombe etc behaved. Drawing huge salaries yet disrespecting their colleagues in that way. I do think that humour is a better way to detract from, minimise and belittle their embarrassing behaviour though. So any other (more pc) humour is welcome in my book to emphasise the joke that party should be.

Steven Swinford@StevenSwinford_
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Here’s Philip Hammond’s swansong in response to McDonnell at Treasury questions:

‘I do agree with him, it would be wrong to pursue no deal as a policy

and I believe it will be for Commons, of which I will continue proudly to be a member, to ensure that doesn't happen’
......

Compare and contrast

Boris Johnson says we should be ‘very positive’ about Brexit, even if it means no deal.
He says negativity is ‘wildly overdone’

Meanwhile Philip Hammond says it would be a £90bn hit,
that he agrees with John McDonnell & would oppose it from the backbenches

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Boris already facing his first Commons rebellion.

Former public health minister Steve Brine suggests he'll join Labour in the lobby to keep sin taxes, telling @adamboultonSKY:

“My message to him and his team is, I’ll see you in the House of Commons”.

Oho, as red suggested might happen, some more MPs would now pass the WA
However, BJ would probably never give them the chance to do so

Matt Dathann@matt*_dathan

Excl:
More than a dozen Labour MPs would now vote for a Brexit deal "in a heartbeat"
says backbenchers who previously opposed Theresa May's deal:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9423052/labour-mps-ready-any-brexit-deal/

because the joke involved religion so I'm happy to apologise for that.

Why ? Was anyone "offended" ? And would it matter if they were ?

Lambuffet was offended apparently?

Lambuffet was offended apparently?

I note my second criteria "would it matter if they were ?"

Maybe if you had gone out of your way to be knowingly offensive in an arena that was highly likely to take offence, there might be a case for an apology. But frankly I couldn't see anything offensive in your comment beyond the factual observation that a requirement of Islam is to pray facing Mecca ... if that offended anyone, well ... so fucking what ?

@DGRosetti, so fucking what. I hope you feel so much better for getting that off your chest. Are you so nasty in real life? You’re poor family.

I agree with DG that there's nothing offensive in lonely's post.

@Lambbuffet , weren't you seeking to argue in another thread about establishing right to choose in NI would offend different religious groups?

Nothing offensive about your post Lonelyplanetmum - whilst religion is of course fair game in any joke, religion wasn't actually the butt of that particular joke - Farage and his party were.

Just scrolled back up and realised that lonely didn't even write the post, but simply shared a picture. Even less to feel offended about.

Nasty ? I'd rather be nasty than Nazi.

I would say DG is robust rather than nasty personally.

People are not to be "offended" or "triggered" these days.

I would say DG is robust rather than nasty personally.

Did you mean to be so rude ?

The joke gave me a chuckle as well. I don’t think it’s offensive to Muslims, it just makes fun of Farage’s lot.

I do think making fun of Farage and fans ( like my FiL who goes quiet in silent worship whenever his name is mentioned ) is actually the most effective belittling one can achieve.

All groups of humans have a tenancy to make 'jokes' about other groups and you cannot be too 'precious' about it. The boundaries are where it is repeated incessantly or deliberately phrased to offend.

No need to make joke about Farage, he is one already.

I can’t see anything offensive in what lonely posted.
However I do find offensive the vast majority of words uttered by Farage and his minions. And their behaviour.