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There really is no point trying to persuade Leavers....

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Closertotheheart · 25/06/2019 19:21

As the title suggests really. There is no point trying to reason a debate with them as they are totally tunnel-visioned. Loads of them seem to think we should leave without a deal and go on to WTO rules.

They blame the Remainers in parliament for us having not left yet.

They blame Remainers in general for, well, seemingly anything and everything.

They blame the EU for us not having left yet.

They spout myth as if it was fact.

I despair. There really is no point trying to reason with them.

I'm at the point where I feel there is nothing left to say on the topic so let them have their 'victory' so at least they will have no one to blame.

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MeganBacon · 02/07/2019 22:04

To be honest I probably don't know any racists. But I probably wouldn't focus my energy with racists, there are people in the middle ground who swayed the vote but weren't very convinced either way and those are the people I would be trying to engage positively with, because they would be enough to tip it towards the positive.

MeganBacon · 02/07/2019 22:05

It could be more positive for starters by not posting ridiculous comments about how leavers think only about themselves and not their children. Because that's nonsense and alienating and people just immediately switch off when they read it.

Peregrina · 02/07/2019 22:07

If you don't want to bear some shared responsibility for the disaster that is about to happen, engage positively with people.

Why should Remainers share responsibility? We think Leavers are like people wanting to jump off a cliff. We think we need to stop them. What are we supposed to do? Say, "Don't jump, but we will help you find a path down." ? You might not get dashed to pieces on the rocks but you will still be killed when the tide comes in and drowns you. What are we supposed to do but try our level best to stop them?

As yet, in three years I have seen nothing from Leavers that convinces me it isn't a cliff edge but there are lush fields beyond a gently rising hill.

1tisILeClerc · 02/07/2019 22:07

{It falls to everyone of us.}
No, it falls to Leavers to sort this mess out. Remainers have been sidelined, ignored, and have been told that 'Leave won, get over it' and are losing jobs and standard of living because of the mess that LEAVERS have made.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:08

I think the only thing I can do now is resign myself to the fact that we will probably leave without a deal, it will be utter toss except for the likes of NF, BoJo, JRM, Steve Bannon, Aaron Banks etc and just hope the leavers enjoy their victory.

I was hoping the WA would have been passed in parliament as the worst case scenario but nope, economic suicide it is.

Yeah, go leavers, I'm so thrilled for you!

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:11

It could be more positive for starters by not posting ridiculous comments about how leavers think only about themselves and not their children.

What?? Have you read the thread?? It was a Leaver (LifeContinues) that shared this nugget with the group. She said her parents did it.

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MeganBacon · 02/07/2019 22:28

Putting the issue of who is responsible for the situation to one side, do you want to be a person who actively makes the situation worse by alienating people, or do you want to be a person who tries to make it better by engaging positively?

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:30

Couldn't care less whether my opinion alienates people to be honest. Just like leavers don't care either I suppose. It wouldn't change anything.

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HateIsNotGood · 02/07/2019 22:37

OP - you've had a really good rant (as MNetters do) throughout your own thread which is perfectly fine. Ordinarily on MN Threads you wouldn't have such an 'easy street' of it as the MN Mantra/Convention usually operates in a different way. But it's the Brexit Board - created because of threads just like yours.

It's an echo chamber for Remainers mostly - occasionally one of the 'stupid masses', such as myself, pops in and says a thing or two - then we pop off again and leave y'all to rant away to each other about how terrible it is.

Demanding clarifications from each other about how righteous you all are in the face of 'mass stupidity'. Etc ad infinitum.

Would you like to ask me a question about something?
Boing! Goes the Bell...Echo, echo, echo.....
I might pop back after at least 10 posters attempt to answer my question for me, from their counter perspective and imaginations of how I actually think.

Yes it's a shame HoC didn't pass the WA so, what does that have to do with The Electorate who voted in the Referendum to Leave?

Boing!...boing, boing, boing goes the Echo.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:41

I'd take your point about 'making things better' if I'd somehow contributed to making things worse. Given I don't post on Brexit threads till now, I don't how I've made any effect whatsoever either positively or negatively. That as well the fact that leavers have made their minds up anyway, and cant answer simple questions, I see my overall effect as non-existent. I am not blame for this mess nor responsible for sorting it when shit hits the fan.

I have engaged with 2 people I know who voted leave. They are friends. We politely disagree. Again I have no more power of persuasion over them as they have over me. They want to leave. Let them have at it.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:44

You could always answer the questions Hate, stop the imaginations from speculating.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:45

I guess you've never experienced the Leave echo chamber Hate.

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Sandybval · 02/07/2019 22:46

I voted Remain, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, and Leavers are usually made out to be stupid and void of facts. They don't need you to persuade them!

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:48

No they don't. And I'm under no illusion I have to appease them.

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ContinuityError · 02/07/2019 22:48

I guess you've never experienced the Leave echo chamber

I thought sound didn't travel in a vacuum?

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:49

Empty vessels and all that.

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MrPickles73 · 02/07/2019 22:50

Yes WTO with no deal please Smile.

Peregrina · 02/07/2019 22:52

Since you are back now, HateIs could you tell us why you thought Leave was a vote for peace?

One thing which influenced me, much more strongly than to give Cameron a kick in the teeth, was the Good Friday Agreement.

HateIsNotGood · 02/07/2019 22:53

Hmm, so many assumptions there OP - I've been on this Board since it's creation. What is your actual question? How do you think you are going to "persuade" me?

I asked you a question - "Yes it's a shame HoC didn't pass the WA so, what does that have to do with The Electorate who voted in the Referendum to Leave?"

Would you care to answer that?

MeganBacon · 02/07/2019 22:56

Couldn't care less whether my opinion alienates people to be honest.

That basically answers your own OP.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:58

Yes it's a shame HoC didn't pass the WA so, what does that have to do with The Electorate who voted in the Referendum to Leave?"

For a start, it would be mean we could withdraw from the EU then commence the next phase of Brexitting i.e. the actual deal-making. Which is surely the most logical thing to satisfy Leavers? Without totally walking us off a cliff edge.

Can you answer peregrinas question?

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 22:59

And my point is, I don't think Leavers can be persuaded (as has been proven). But to stick with the original theme of the thread, don't blame others when reality kicks in. Own your actions.

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Peregrina · 02/07/2019 23:03

Can you answer peregrinas question?

It was originally KenDodd's question, and asked in a genuinely open way as far as I could see.

ContinuityError · 02/07/2019 23:06

Own your actions

Won’t happen.

Prominent Leavers already setting up any negative consequences of the UK leaving on the EU.

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Closertotheheart · 02/07/2019 23:08

Prominent Leavers already setting up any negative consequences of the UK leaving on the EU.*

How do you propose remainers build a bridge with that @MeganBacon?

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