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Westministenders: The start of our fourth year of fun

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2019 10:47

Do you remember when politics was boring?

This week we have had a Tory MP recalled, a Tory MP caught on film appearing to assault a protester and our likely Tory prime minister caught on tape having a serious row with his girlfriend which resulted in the police being called.

This is a government with a majority of 3 (with the DUP).

There are apparently 100 MPs who are not on board with no deal, but its not clear how far they will go to try and stop this. We do have Dominic Grieve stating that if Johnson is elected leader he will not become PM as he will not have the confidence of the house and can not go to the Queen to say he has. He has recently said he would resign the Tory Whip if necessary, which he has not previously said. The government has only to lose 2 more MPs for it to lose its majority...

It is important to remember that until Johnson goes to the Queen, May remains PM and retains the powers of the office. Could he become leader but not PM?

This crisis would most likely lead to a GE. The only real question would be over the timing over this. Would it be immediate or strung out over the summer? At this point this does look highly likely before October.

If the Tory moderates get their way, then the ERG hardliners hit back and do the same thing even with the looming threat of the Brexit Party or a Remain surge.

Its hard to see how we AVOID Brenda from Bristol being tracked down for a rent-a-quote. And there is a strong possibility of another Tory Leadership Election before the year is out, under several scenarios.

Meanwhile the EU Brexit Team has largely broken up, with most of its lead players having new personal priorities with internal EU elections. Our biggest ally in Tusk will no longer be there to protect us, so EU politics post 31st October could look quite different, and less favourable, to the UK.

Whilst the talk around parliament from seems to indicate that the UK will look for another extension (and this includes from Camp Johnson), this is very inward looking. At some point there needs to be a wakeup call that the EU want us out, and will be prepared to force us to no deal whether we like it or not.

Equally the idea that we could have a PV is also dependant now on EU good will, as we've faffed about for so long with Tory Brats. And relies on the EU still being keen on another referendum. Will this come to a head with the EU saying no and shattering the hopes of the other side of the house?

At this point, what happens with the Withdrawal Agreement? The idea that the withdrawal agreement is dead isn't quite as clear cut as you might think. If its a choice in parliament on the very last day of No Deal v the Withdrawal Agreement what will they do? Will they recognise the moment? Certainly I think there are a few opposition MPs who HAVE started to notice this is a possibility this time around. Its still largely unspoken though. No one wants to acknowledge political reality.

We still haven't hit the wall of reality. We avoided in March. But its still there and no going away.

I think there are two things we can count on over the next few weeks; more outrage and chaos and a slow dawning of the realisation that May was dreadful, but it really could be worse.

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prettybird · 27/06/2019 23:00

It was either Mark Francois or his red faced angry Angry twin Andrew Bridgen Wink (can never tell them apart wonder why? Hmm) who was asserting last week that it was the EU that guilty of breaching the GFA because of what was in the WA Confused

Peregrina · 27/06/2019 23:00

Why do people vote for these idiots?

phpolly · 27/06/2019 23:04

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Ellie56 · 27/06/2019 23:33

Mark Francois is such a tit. His constituents should recall him on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2019 23:46

BJ is the über-twat:

shameless twattery for votes

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/27/boris-johnson-refuses-rule-out-forcing-through-no-deal-brexit

Johnson has refused demands to categorically rule out suspending parliament to push through a no-deal Brexit without the consent of MPs.

The frontrunner to be the next prime minister confirmed it was one of the options on the table, after failing to give clear answers on several other occasions.
.....
Speaking at a hustings for Conservative members in Bournemouth on Thursday, the former foreign secretary said
he did not want to prorogue parliament to prevent MPs blocking a no-deal Brexit but it should not be removed as an option.

Icantreachthepretzels · 28/06/2019 01:01

I do hope in the end we go with treason trials instead of some toothless chilcot style enquiry. Talk of proroguing parliament to stop them doing their job and protecting people from harm (self inflicted harm at that) is proper Charles 1st stuff. If we can try a king for treason then we can certainly try a PM and all cronies.

And if so much as a single person dies as a result of no deal brexit then we need to throw manslaughter charges at them well.

FoldyRoll · 28/06/2019 02:57

According to Popbitch there's ((much) more to come on Boris Johnson's domestic arrangements....

*>> Johnson & “Johnson”

NoWordForFluffy · 28/06/2019 06:29

Anyone who thinks that proroguing parliament is a good idea needs bloody locking up.

I'm quite worried how apathetic the population appears to be about us turning into a tinpot dictatorship. But I imagine there's many of us feeling so helpless that we've no idea how to stop what's going on. Any attempts to protest are dismissed and devalued. It's horrible living here right now.

BigChocFrenzy · 28/06/2019 06:34

Oh FUCK, these irresponsible scum may drag us into another US war

because ....
they'll pay any price to get a US trade deal
and
war is the way to make voters ignore what fuckups the Tories are and re-elect them

Now for another country destroyed and millions more refugees

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/28/war-iran-britain-jeremy-hunt-us

Yet as Washington’s war drums beat ever louder, a familiar sucking noise can be heard above the din.

It is the sound of Britain being inexorably drawn – again – into an avoidable, calamitous Middle East war.
......
What should really chill the blood of British citizens is the way their own government
– and the two men who want to be the next prime minister –
are creating a situation, largely undiscussed and undebated,

in which Britain will have no choice but to support a Trump attack on Iran, and worse,

will have little hope of avoiding direct military involvement.

This senseless, heedless drift into another ill-conceived, unjustifiable and illegal conflict must surely stir alarming memories in the most complacent Tory heart.

Do none of these people recall a similar made-in-America catastrophe in Iraq in 2003?

Don’t the Chilcot report’s damning findingss^ – that Tony Blair failed to explore all peaceful options and deliberately exaggerated the threat – ring urgent bells now?

thethethethethe · 28/06/2019 07:07

Fucking hell. Both Trump and BJ are the type to start a war as a perk of the job.

thethethethethe · 28/06/2019 07:08

I really didn't want Scottish independence. At this rate I'll be joining the SNP soon.

frumpety · 28/06/2019 07:16

Anyone else noticed that the UK has been relegated to the subs bench in the G20 summit photo call this year ? Compare and contrast the photo of last year and this year , interesting ?

frumpety · 28/06/2019 07:22

Or maybe there is a take it in turns thing going on ? Putin always seems to get front row as does the POTUS . This morning will be spent mostly overthinking Grin

Mistigri · 28/06/2019 07:37

war is the way to make voters ignore what fuckups the Tories are and re-elect them

If the Tories think that it is a miscalculation. Since the Iraq war there has been a massive shift in public sentiment. Part of the rise in nationalism has been a feeling that governments should be more concerned about their own citizens than about foreign policy.

Iambuffy · 28/06/2019 07:53

Remember how bad Thatchers polling was prior to the Falklands war?

NoWordForFluffy · 28/06/2019 08:07

I'm not sure you can compare then to now, not with what's happened in the intervening years. Or I hope you can't.

1tisILeClerc · 28/06/2019 08:21

SKY reporting this morning that the BBC 'fly on the wall' about the Foreign office while BoJo was minister, edited a bit out where BoJo refers top the French as turds.
Just another part of 'I might end up as PM, get me out of here' theme?

Songsofexperience · 28/06/2019 08:38

Read that. Amazing diplomatic skills- saying that whilst being filmed for a documentary that was going to be aired on national tv and potentially elsewhere too. Top bloke.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 28/06/2019 08:49

SKY reporting this morning that the BBC 'fly on the wall' about the Foreign office while BoJo was minister, edited a bit out where BoJo refers top the French as turds

Imagine what he says when he’s not being filmed.

Songsofexperience · 28/06/2019 08:59

Listening to Nick Ferrari on lbc. I will switch off now. Bloody hell, I'm tired of the UK turning into an Alt right's dream. Embarrassing.

prettybird · 28/06/2019 09:06

Last night on Sky's Press Preview, the editor of Conservative Home tried to say that Guy Verhofstadt had said worse in his "fly on the wall" documentary (also saying that he had nothing really to do with Brexit Confused) when he'd said that the UK would become a vassal state as a result of the WA.Hmm

a) it wasn't him that said it, it was one of his staff, a young Irish woman,

and b) (and more importantly), the full context of the quote was, iirc, that "they'll hate it because they'll say that they're a vassal state"

Remember too that the UK wide transition state of accepting EU law and remaining de facto part of the Single Market was May's idea to try to keep the DUP on board Confused, as they wouldn't accept the concept of NI being a special economic area and the Single Market "border" being in the Irish Sea. The EU hadn't wanted that and had to be persuaded - seems to be the only bit of negotiation that the UK was successful with Shock

Although I suppose to be fair, we'd need to see the full context of where, how and why BJ described the French as turds Hmm .....but somehow I don't think that it would have been as informed as the Irish lady's comment Wink

Mistigri · 28/06/2019 09:31

I'm tired of the UK turning into an Alt right's dream

This is why I don't venture far from this thread and the music threads on here. Many opinions that would have been considered hard if not far right a few years ago are now mainstream on Mumsnet, including from people who consider themselves "liberal". I don't think MN is necessarily representative of public opinion (if anything it's to the left) but the move rightwards in the last 5 years is very striking.

Mistigri · 28/06/2019 09:34

Remember how bad Thatchers polling was prior to the Falklands war?

The Falklands is nominally British territory, Iran isn't.

Tbh I don't think there would even be a "Falklands effect" nowadays - Tories aren't that bothered about hanging onto Ireland and Scotland, so the idea that they would be in favour of an expensive war half a world away to defend a few sheep is somewhat improbable.

I think any PM counting on a war to raise their polling would be making a bad misjudgement.

lonelyplanetmum · 28/06/2019 09:38

Blue Passports rumble on... to be made in Poland by a Dutch-French firm. I wonder how many of the 170 who lost their job in the North East have managed to find work yet ..

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/passport-manufacturer-cut-170-jobs-16483109

Songsofexperience · 28/06/2019 09:46

Many opinions that would have been considered hard if not far right a few years ago are now mainstream on Mumsnet, including from people who consider themselves "liberal"

Yes- often just abuse dressed up as 'tough love'.

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