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Westministenders: The start of our fourth year of fun

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2019 10:47

Do you remember when politics was boring?

This week we have had a Tory MP recalled, a Tory MP caught on film appearing to assault a protester and our likely Tory prime minister caught on tape having a serious row with his girlfriend which resulted in the police being called.

This is a government with a majority of 3 (with the DUP).

There are apparently 100 MPs who are not on board with no deal, but its not clear how far they will go to try and stop this. We do have Dominic Grieve stating that if Johnson is elected leader he will not become PM as he will not have the confidence of the house and can not go to the Queen to say he has. He has recently said he would resign the Tory Whip if necessary, which he has not previously said. The government has only to lose 2 more MPs for it to lose its majority...

It is important to remember that until Johnson goes to the Queen, May remains PM and retains the powers of the office. Could he become leader but not PM?

This crisis would most likely lead to a GE. The only real question would be over the timing over this. Would it be immediate or strung out over the summer? At this point this does look highly likely before October.

If the Tory moderates get their way, then the ERG hardliners hit back and do the same thing even with the looming threat of the Brexit Party or a Remain surge.

Its hard to see how we AVOID Brenda from Bristol being tracked down for a rent-a-quote. And there is a strong possibility of another Tory Leadership Election before the year is out, under several scenarios.

Meanwhile the EU Brexit Team has largely broken up, with most of its lead players having new personal priorities with internal EU elections. Our biggest ally in Tusk will no longer be there to protect us, so EU politics post 31st October could look quite different, and less favourable, to the UK.

Whilst the talk around parliament from seems to indicate that the UK will look for another extension (and this includes from Camp Johnson), this is very inward looking. At some point there needs to be a wakeup call that the EU want us out, and will be prepared to force us to no deal whether we like it or not.

Equally the idea that we could have a PV is also dependant now on EU good will, as we've faffed about for so long with Tory Brats. And relies on the EU still being keen on another referendum. Will this come to a head with the EU saying no and shattering the hopes of the other side of the house?

At this point, what happens with the Withdrawal Agreement? The idea that the withdrawal agreement is dead isn't quite as clear cut as you might think. If its a choice in parliament on the very last day of No Deal v the Withdrawal Agreement what will they do? Will they recognise the moment? Certainly I think there are a few opposition MPs who HAVE started to notice this is a possibility this time around. Its still largely unspoken though. No one wants to acknowledge political reality.

We still haven't hit the wall of reality. We avoided in March. But its still there and no going away.

I think there are two things we can count on over the next few weeks; more outrage and chaos and a slow dawning of the realisation that May was dreadful, but it really could be worse.

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bellinisurge · 27/06/2019 17:31

Thank you @BigChocFrenzy . You can be sure that I have included her in my preps. She has a whole couple of big plastic boxes in the garage.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2019 17:33

No Deal means No Vauxhall Astra built in the UK

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-48790657

Mick Chalmers, regional officer for the Unite union, said:

"PSA have made it very clear that no deal means no deal for Ellesmere Port.

"We are calling on the government to take no deal off the table so that the future of Ellesmere Port - and the thousands of jobs in the supply chain - can be secured."

DGRossetti · 27/06/2019 17:38

In theory the Queen appoints cabinet ministers. Not the PM. Be interesting to see how the fiction that she does it "on the advice" of the PM plays out if Boris wants to stack the deck ? Especially if he hasn't been able to demonstrate the confidence of the house.

DGRossetti · 27/06/2019 17:40

Mick Chalmers, regional officer for the Unite union, said:

And what does Len M. say ?

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2019 17:44

"Nothing to do with Brexit" ?

MockerstheFeManist · 27/06/2019 18:04

When May resigns, she will by convention recommend a sucessor as her final advice. The Queen would by convention then send for this person and ask, "Mr Johnson/Hunt, can you form a government?"

If they say yes, Queenie might want to ask them about how they might command a majority in the commons. If she is unhappy with this answer, she may send them away to prove it, and if they can't, then off we go a-polling.

Peregrina · 27/06/2019 18:20

It seems then that the first thing Johnson/Hunt will need to do is to keep the DUP on board, because without them, there is no majority.

However, either Johnson or Hunt could try to form a minority Government as Harold Wilson did in the Seventies. He had to shortly followed by another election, which he won with such a slender majority that it didn't really give him the mandate he wanted and this dogged his government for ever onward, eventually ushering a complete change of direction with Thatcher.

I don't recall the 1970s Labour Government being as split as the Tory party is now, although I assume the cracks were already appearing because the SDP split off in the early 80s.

borntobequiet · 27/06/2019 18:31

That BBC headline is misleading. It reads as though the car manufacture depends on us Brexiting. Either the headline writers are poor communicators or they are deliberately duping people. I suspect the first but would not rule out the second. I might put a complaint in.

TatianaLarina · 27/06/2019 18:36

Johnson has already pissed off the DUP in his and Raab’s meeting with them prior to their pieing May’s Deal.

They don’t consider him a Unionist. So it will be interesting how the hell he keeps them onside.

He doesn’t give a fuck about NI, he doesn’t even give enough of a fuck to pretend he does.

prettybird · 27/06/2019 18:44

You're right born - it us indeed highly misleading Confused

Even within the article, the implication is that its future is "dependant" upon a Brexit deal - not that its future is dependent upon a Brexit deal that replicates the Single Markey as closely as possuble

1tisILeClerc · 27/06/2019 18:44

borntobequiet
Ye, on re reading it, the wording looks 'ambiguous' so easy to read as survival depends on Brexiting.
It should of course actually say that it's survival depends on the UK getting a good deal and that 'no deal' will almost certainly spell closure.

1tisILeClerc · 27/06/2019 18:47
Lyrics not quite right, but it's good to hear it again.
DGRossetti · 27/06/2019 18:49

Meanwhile, I see the proposal to include a question about citizenship on the 2020 US census has been stopped by SCOTUS.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48791272

Usually the feeling is the UK is a testbed for ideas elsewhere. But in this case I can't shake the feeling that was the testbed for the 2021 census. After all, they managed to up the ante with the 2011 census ...

Be curious to know what questions they might try and sneak in that I would have to either lie on, or omit the answer and take the jail time ? I'm betting something along the lines of asking your parents nationality ( not citizenship) Hmm Anyone else want to guess ?

Peregrina · 27/06/2019 18:59

The US citizenship question is very reminiscent of the question that schools were being asked to provide a couple of years back. I don't remember the exact details now, but I think was to do with Nationality. Some argued that it could be a useful question because it would channel more resources say e.g. if English wasn't your first language. OK but someone could have been born in Africa, to English speaking parents, have the nationality of that African country but have English as a first language and not need extra support. When it was found that the question was going to be used to send information to the Home Office and after a lot of hoo ha, it was scrapped. There were lots of threads on MN at the time, so maybe someone who was more involved could highlight one. An awful lot of people didn't see the problem with the question.

prettybird · 27/06/2019 19:10

My parents' nationality is British. The fact that Dad was born in SA (as was I) and my mum, although Scottish born (by chance Wink), had Australian parents and was naturalised South African would not be picked up as although entered on SA passports (and in my db's and my case, on no passports at all as we were on our parent's passport) we all became naturalised British citizens as soon as we could (in my mum's case, immediately Wink).

But I look forward to changing my citizenship to Scottish Grin - as does my dad Wink

Peregrina · 27/06/2019 19:21

That was my worry with that question on the educational census - it didn't tease out whether extra resources would need to be provided, it was a straight forward nationality question. Nor were people told that answering the question wasn't compulsory.

Fortunately it got picked up and there was a big campaign and once it was found that the information was going to leak back to the Home Office and be used to chase immigrants it got abandoned.

yolofish · 27/06/2019 19:21

Just listening to BJ in Bournemouth - does he even speak English? I honestly cant understand a word he is saying...

tobee · 27/06/2019 19:29

Talking of the 1970s Labour government reminds me that I was fortunate enough to see This House at the National Theatre, a play by James Graham about that time. I don't know if it's on anywhere at the moment but it's worth reading the play script. A very entertaining and informative read from the perspective of the whip's office at the time of Labour's slender majority.

Ellie56 · 27/06/2019 19:32

Theresa May has refused to promise unconditional support for her successor's Brexit plan.

Well why should she? BJ didn't back her unconditionally.

And it looks very much as though he is not going to get anything different despite all his wild claims. Hmm

There are no Brexit unicorns anywhere.

gutrotweins · 27/06/2019 20:04

Oh well. Liz Truss on QT tonight. Always good for a giggle.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2019 20:28

Update for anyone on essential meds:

Dept of Health & Social Care: Continuity of supply of medicines and medical products in 31st October no-deal EU exit scenario

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/812523/Letterrtosupplierss-continuityyofmedicinessmedicalproductss_26-june-2019.pdf..pdf

The main risk to the unhindered supply of medicines and medical products presented by the UK exiting the EU without a deal remains the predicted reduced traffic flow at the short straits crossings
(i.e. between Calais/Dunkirk/Coquelles and Dover/Folkestone).

Around three-quarters of medicines and over half the clinical consumables the UK uses come from (or via) the EU and the vast majority are reliant on those crossings.

While the predicted flow rate across the short straits has improved slightly since 29th March,
significant disruption would be expected for six months following a no-deal exit,
with the most severe period being the first three months.

Given this, it remains necessary to maintain a multi-layered approach to contingency,

Random18 · 27/06/2019 20:32

Unite is increasing UKs chances of No Deal every day.

Well that numpty at the top who likes to play Dictator.

He has no interest in representing his members.

Hate hate hate that DH’s dues are paying that mans big bucks.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/06/2019 21:56

Mark Francois said that wrecking the car industry in a no deal Brexit would 'at least be our choice' Confused

I'm still staggered by this car crash of a debate on Sky

www.indy100.com/article/mark-francois-no-deal-brexit-sky-news-adam-boulton-car-industry-8977136

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 27/06/2019 22:40

That interview was poor even for Mark Francois. Why do these people keep embarrassing themselves?

NoWordForFluffy · 27/06/2019 22:43

Because he's a twat. An angry little red faced twat.