To think that Boris May be what we need...

[shewhocan]

Ok. Here me out. I do not like anything about the man and am aghast that he appears to be our best offering on leadership. BUT:

1. Theresa May was always open to criticism that she wasn't a true brexiteer. Boris has nailed his colours to the mast from an early stage (albeit entirely for his own personal reasons). If he can't get a deal, perhaps finally Brexiteers will realise we are on a hiding too nothing.

1. If/ when it becomes clear that we are heading for No Deal (which given we will have two months post the summer break, we must be as a matter of practicality), parliament could still take over and force a delay or new referendum.

1. (And this is the one I believe in the most) as we head to No deal, Corbyn will call a Vote of no confidence in the government. The Tories don't have a majority without he DUPn they won't back a No Deal with a hard Irish border, so we end up in an election.

My bigger worry is that Corbyn will remain Labour leader and thus the remain vote will be split between labour, Lib Dem's and green/ independent, so we could still find ourselves with a Tory government and/ or hopeless deadlock...

What do you think ?

If the answer is Boris, then as a society we have gone badly, badly wrong.

I look at BJ's past record and behavior, he is unsuited as PM, just as he was as FS.

Nothing will convince the ERG brexit isn't the best idea ever, they will turn on Boris just as easily as they did May, remember she was anointed leader with little opposition... their saviour for Brexit.

There isn't going to be a GE because the Tories won't vote down their Govt and if the polls look v. good for them, then JC won't vote for it either.

That do you think
Try 2 things:
thinking and reading.

He's a big twat.

Wow @woman19 that's pretty unnecessary ?

I'm assuming you're having a bad day and want to take it out on someone. For the record, I'm dyslexic. I did read it, but as you see it made no difference. Here's hoping you can learn to be a bit more thoughtful in your own posts.

'twat' as I understand it is a reference to our vaginas.

Always disapponting when anyone on a female website uses it as a noun of opprobrium

Our vaginas are the most powerful human organ on this earth.

We, of course, produce the only important asset to the human race.

That tiny little incel is an irrevance.

As most white men are.

We seem to have an embarrassment of incel white men and their handmaids in england at the moment.

Hello she

Oh ffs. This isn't about the importance of vaginas.
Boris unfortunately will be chosen as the perceived best bet for delivering Brexit and hanging on to the tory vote.

Deeply worrying.

Is it just me that doesn't understand
woman19 post?

Anyway, we are all doomed whoever becomes pm it doesn't really matter.
I just wish we could have a GE I'd definitely vote then.
Nothing we can do about Brexit, we just have to let the Eton lot decide.
We hardly figure, anyway.

As a temp Boris supporter this is my first and last post on this thread.

There is no point in anyone posting here but a die hard far left Corbyn remainer. Anyone else will be abused, insulted & derided. Be honest and admit this is nothing but an echo chamber.

Bye

Even Corbyn isn't a die hard..Corbyn remainer.

But I get your gist.

Your point number 3 is wrong though. The DUP would very much back a no deal with a hard border in Ireland. They'd flipping love this. They never supported the GFA in the first place so for them it would be going back to the good old days. They absolutely would support the Tories if they wanted a no deal/ no backstop Brexit.

Can't believe this is happening to the world. First Donald, now Boris. This is seriously scary stuff.

FFS!

What's a Corbyn Remainer? He's not a Remainer himself. Most people who voted Remain who are on here hate him. Do keep up.

Boris May

Ye Gods what ghastly chimera is this?

Boris May not!

I can't quite figure out what game the Tories are playing, the short one where Boris delivers Brexit (probably with a No Deal as the EU's patience mus be wearing very thin by now and I highly doubt they want yet more negotiations) and they can say they delivered on the referendum, or a longer game where Boris is installed as the best bet again a possible GE where the Brexit party and Labour are threats (he's a more popular personality than Corbyn or Farage).

I am not at all sure Corbyn will remain Labour leader for much longer, I think he wants to go, but again, his party may not want to get into a leadership election where someone more popular than Corbyn (inside and outside the party) may lose if there's a GE and they're up against Boris.

Jon Worth's latest chart gives a GE a 71% chance of happening, and a second ref only 7% chance (which would need another extension from the EU).

jonworth.eu/brexit-what-next/

Perhaps if there's a GE and Labour fails to do well, the Labour Party can then dispose of Corbyn and find another more suitable leader?

I know an ardent Corbynite who admits he's shite and has to go. They actually admit a Labour centrist would be better. At least, they argue, there's a chance of some socially responsible action, even if it's not perfect.
To myself, I said "About fucking time you twigged this".

Corbynite Remainer is an oxymoron. Everyone knows that Corbyn is a Lexiter.

I think we've worked out already that Walkingdeadfangirl isn't the sharpest tool in the box.

The Tories will vote for Boris as they see him being the best chance of keeping the Tories in power, and for no other reason. They give absolutely no fucks about the country as a whole.

I personally think that the Brexit crisis needs to get a bit worse before it can start to get better. I’m hoping that “worse” means that no-deal is imminent but still preventable by Revoke/Revote rather than a no-deal fait accompli.
I struggle constantly with whether Boris should be denied or given the chance to fail abysmally. I think he would prefer to fail spectacularly than never get a shot at PM. There isn’t a swear word filthy enough to describe him...

Not sure op, biting nails maybe at prospect of Boris, but don't know that much about him, biting finger's off at prospect of corybn. .

Anyone how ever who really thinks brexit will be revoked.

British political careers end in failure (or death). Boris's failure is something to look forward to. He's going to accelerate his demise by becoming PM now, for sure. Think how much more damage he could do if he became PM during a relatively stable ordinary period. How much longer it would take for him to totally foul up starting then, so how much more damage he'd do in meantime.

See! I found a positive to Brexit after all.

I agree with you OP on point 1. I think Brexiteers need to be given exactly what they want and take the consequences.
The only thing that concerns me is that I think people are underestimating Boris. He is a clever man, who is using his buffoon act for his own purposes. I doubt very much his own purpose is the benefit of anyone who isn't Boris Johnson. Everyone thinks 'Oh hes such an idiot he wont last long' when hes not an idiot and knows exactly what he is doing.
Corbyn may well be forced to call a vote of no confidence even though he doesn't have a clue what he would do if he were PM. Labour wont get rid of him because hes not too bright and therefore can be used as a puppet by forces behind him.

The only positive that will come out of a PM Boris is Scottish independence.

When he can't deliver a 'Great Deal' Brexit by 31 October: what happens?

How will Boris come out good having battled with Parliament who refuse to allow Crash Out?

The part that surprises me is that BJ is embracing the Poison Chalice. I suppose the poster who said he'd rather be a disasterous PM than a Never-PM is right.