To think that Boris May be what we need...

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Ok. Here me out. I do not like anything about the man and am aghast that he appears to be our best offering on leadership. BUT:

1. Theresa May was always open to criticism that she wasn't a true brexiteer. Boris has nailed his colours to the mast from an early stage (albeit entirely for his own personal reasons). If he can't get a deal, perhaps finally Brexiteers will realise we are on a hiding too nothing.

1. If/ when it becomes clear that we are heading for No Deal (which given we will have two months post the summer break, we must be as a matter of practicality), parliament could still take over and force a delay or new referendum.

1. (And this is the one I believe in the most) as we head to No deal, Corbyn will call a Vote of no confidence in the government. The Tories don't have a majority without he DUPn they won't back a No Deal with a hard Irish border, so we end up in an election.

My bigger worry is that Corbyn will remain Labour leader and thus the remain vote will be split between labour, Lib Dem's and green/ independent, so we could still find ourselves with a Tory government and/ or hopeless deadlock...

What do you think ?

I suppose he couldn't be seen to run away a second time.

Handing the mess over to the main vandal to fix is a BAD idea

Remainers will be blamed on the event of no deal.

Remainers will be blamed if we leave with a deal (how a deal other than the current WA will come about, I've no idea) and things look shit, which they will do.

So even if Boris is in charge of the whole debacle from now on, does anyone really believe he, or any of the other Brexshitters, will take any responsibility for any of the mess?

When has he ever?

Yes I'm hoping the poison chalice that is Brexit will finish him. Maybe that's why Rory Stewart is putting so much effort into his campaign, because he thinks Brexit will sink Boris and his erg mates and he can ride in as the saviour of the remaining Tories and get the job after that.

I quite warm to RoryS but his belief that we all need to compromise over Brexit is cloud cuckoo land..... as can be seen on the multitude of threads across MN let alone the internet, it aint ever never going to happen.

We need a v strong leader to tell the nation (either way) what it is now going to do and then do it.

I'll be v surprised if Boris is the man for the job, though i do believe he thinks he will be the next Churchill, saving the nation at its darkest hour..... frightening.

My only hope with Boris is that his desire to be seen as the hero he thinks he is will lead him to revoke.

It would make him a hero to well over half the country, particularly with the young which to tories have always alienated.

After all, anyone with half a brain understands that the steaming pile of dogshit that is no deal Brexit will just leave the entire country passed off when it turns out to be the obvious car crash that it’s going to be.

Help us obi wanker bojo you’re our only hope

Boris is not a bumbling, cheerful sort of chap.

he is a Tory, and so far to the right he makes Thatcher look like Fidel fucking Castro.

also, if any of the contenders actually have a concrete plan for Brexit, why the ACTUAL FUCK haven’t they told anyone? it’s been a complete clusterfuck.

Boris is up to his fat neck in Saudi shenanigans. he isn’t your mate. he’s not jovial and a bit clumsy. he is a wanker.

i wonder if people realise that we don’t get to choose the next Prime Minister, the same as we didn’t for the current one. we will get the person that the Tories think would make an excellent leader, which is frankly terrifying.

Yep a knob who made sure Nazanin Ratcliffe will die in jail (the likelihood of her being released as tensions between US/UK and Iran reach boiling point is nil)

Though i'm sure some BJ supporting idiot will come along and defend him.

Hopefully you are correct on all counts.

Then the Brexit Party will be storming through that open door.

Can't/won't happen? Watch that space...…..

The trouble with this is the Brexit (Farage) party is not convinced it wants to be either in or out of the EU. It also has no workable plans and as the EU have been treated to Farage's crap for many years he neither deserves nor will get any respect in Brussels. Being an argumentative tosser for many years does set the scene somewhat.
Having either Boris or Farage as PM is as advisable as pouring 2 bottles of wine into a brain surgeon as they are about to operate on you.

To be honest, I'm getting to the stage of 'bring it on' and see what happens. If it's all great when we have no deal then fantastic. Remainers we're wrong and everyone will be better off. If its an unmitigated disaster, as most analysts think it will be, then Boris and the rest will have to explain to all the Brexit supporting unemployed farm workers and car workers why they are in the shit. Then maybe we can do a sensible deal with the EU similar to Norway +. The idea that anyone, Tories or Labour are going to 'bring the country together' is fanciful, and probably won't happen for a decade or so.

If its an unmitigated disaster, as most analysts think it will be, then Boris and the rest will have to explain to all the Brexit supporting unemployed farm workers and car workers why they are in the shit

Simplistic at best, if a no-deal brexit were only going to affect 1 or 2 million workers, then not so bad but it won't, it'll screw the entire country, from banking to pharma to engineering to construction plus even more underfunded public services as tax revenues collapse.

Sterling at parity or below to the $/euro would cause great harm to an economy that relies so heavily on imported energy and raw materials, not too mention inflation, inability to borrow.

BJ et al will disappear to more sunny climates and will have to explain nothing at all....ever seen Blair explain Iraq to anyone?

A Norway deal will take years to negotiate, if a weakened UK was even allowed to join EFTA.

It would be prudent to not to allow this destruction in the first place.

It would of course be far more sensible to avoid this absolute shitstorm, but it seems to be beyond us. I would love their to be another referendum and for this whole disaster to be called off, but judging by the what's happened in the Euro elections, that is by no means guaranteed. There is every chance it will just prolong this shit for longer. There are many, many people in this country who couldn't give a toss about 'politics' and think the only way to shut everybody up would be just to leave with no deal.

Then the Brexit Party will be storming through that open door.

And make an even bigger mess that Boris could manage, end up punching each other in Parliament, and finally showing up Farage for the loud mouthed sh*t that he his. Then in ten years time, we won't be able to find a single person who was fooled by him, oh no, it must have been someone else.

{noodlenosefraggle Sat 15-Jun-19 15:42:22
To be honest, I'm getting to the stage of 'bring it on' and see what happens.}

The main trouble with this is that there is no 'undo' button and from an enviable 5th/9th or whatever position that the UK had there is a long way down to 162 (?).
With better governance Venezuela could have been in a similar position to the UK now. It was rich in the past (40 years ago) and has oil and other resources but Venezuelans are desperately walking to Peru now before visas become necessary.
There are many fragments of other countries lives that could fit the UK now, and none of them are good.

I think he (Johnson) will call a snap general election in Sept, gamble on getting enough of a majority to be able to govern without the support of the DUP, immediately drop the all UK backstop and go back to the NI only one - EU will be happy as it is what they preferred in the first place, ERG types will be cock a hoop as the EU will have 'backed down humiliatingly' and 'renegotiated the unnegotiable backstop', Nicola won't be happy in public but will be privately as NI having a special deal gives welly to her side of the Scottish nationalist cause, so the deal will finally go through and England and Wales will be slowly fucked by a very hard brexit and the dodgy deal Liam Fox does with a rapacious and hand rubbing USA

I know what you mean OP. Loathsome as I find him, I think that he is so inept that if made PM he will inevitably make a cock up of it, and that will signal the end of his career, so that would be a big plus.

I also find myself bizarrely craving a Brexiteer PM (I say this as a staunch remainder) because I feel that somehow that will hasten the endgame and Brexit will have a better chance of being exposed for the damaging fiasco that it really is. Moderates will be more likely to work together to defeat no deal if they're working in opposition to someone like Johnson.

No he wont, BJ will need labour support to call a GE, needs a 2/3rd majority - fixed term parliaments act.

Labour won't support that if the Cons are miles in front and Cons won't want a GE if Lab could win it.

I don't think they will be miles in front, he will just manage to consolidate the angry Brexit betrayed vote. And Farage/Johnson will cooperate; remain vote will be split again. And Corbyn's mantra for three years has been 'general election, general election, general election'. It would be gamble still for Johnson.

That's one potential timeline anyway; as we appear to be living in the banter timeline, no deal here we come.

Yes Labour will have to support a GE just to save face. They have been using that excuse to avoid making any credible policy for 3 years. They are finished if they fail to take the chance to have one.

Fuck no

I think that Boris may not be what we need but he is probably what we deserve.

Also I'm mildly curious as to why over the last three years so many threads on broader political topics were frequently moved to the Brexit board. Yet threads on future PMs are left in Brexit and not moved to Politics?

I quite warm to RoryS but his belief that we all need to compromise over Brexit is cloud cuckoo land..... as can be seen on the multitude of threads across MN let alone the internet, it aint ever never going to happen.

We need a v strong leader to tell the nation (either way) what it is now going to do and then do it.

Totally agree.

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