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Brexit

Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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TokyoSushi · 10/06/2019 16:22

Late PMK

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 16:24

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Boris bags the ERG slate.

Big blow to Raab, and all but guarantees him < Boris > a slot in the final two, but limits his room for Brexit manoeuvre.

A tactical slam dunk, or a ball and chain he’ll live to regret?

dreichuplands · 10/06/2019 16:24

Clavinova
This is the issue with these warnings about job losses. It isn't possible to logically maintain that Leadsom is right and people were informed on the one hand and on the other continue to state that the warnings are scaremongering.
Either leave promoters have to believe that people were warned of the risks and chose to accept them.
Or remain was scaremongering, leave voters accepted this and therefore voted to leave.
It isn't scaremongering to state facts that have been accepted by both those who voted leave and remain.

tobee · 10/06/2019 16:38

Damn! Just come to the current end of this thread and today's catch up. Now I've no excuse to not get on with some real work! Grin

Clavinova · 10/06/2019 16:40

dreichuplands
It isn't scaremongering to state facts that have been accepted by both those who voted leave and remain.

What facts - 500,000 job losses? She doesn't accept those as facts - neither do I.

The interview has been edited of course - the journalists just pick out the bits they want.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 16:45

The film has been edited ?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 16:51

"UK economy shrinks after Brexit car factory shutdowns"

This indicates the vulnerability of the UK economy to Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/10/uk-economy-brexit-car-shutdowns-bmw-peugeot-gdp

Vehicle output falls by 24% as firms including BMW and Peugeot pause production

The British economy shrank in April amid a dramatic decline in car production ahead of the original Brexit deadline, according to official figures.

According to the Office for National Statisticss^, gross domestic product (GDP) plunged by 0.4% in April from a month earlier
as factories across the country launched a wave of planned shutdowns to avoid any disruption that could have been unleashed by a no-deal Brexit.

Britain’s manufacturers planned around leaving the EU on 29 March as Theresa May took the country to the brink of leaving without a deal, before agreeing an extension until 12 April and then delaying the process until the end of October.
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While economic growth had strengthened as factories rushed to stockpile materials ahead of the deadline, the latest snapshot from the economy shows that production slumped after the target date passed.

Rob Kent-Smith, the head of GDP at the government statistics agency, said the decline was caused by falling car production amid the uncertainty over leaving the EU.

“There was also widespread weakness across manufacturing in April, as the boost from the early completion of orders ahead of the UK’s original EU departure date has faded,” he said.

Manufacturing output across the country dropped by 3.9% on the month, driven by car production plunging by 24%.

It comes after stronger growth in manufacturing in February and March, before falling back after the early completion of orders was not replaced
and factories were closed to protect against potential Brexit disruption.
.....
several firms said they would temporarily halt activity due to Brexit,
while some said they would ultimately close factories altogether, with thousands of job losses.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 16:54

Leadsom can be seen saying that voters were warned before the ref

That's a preview of Brexiters' excuses if No Deal indeed happens and sends the economy over a cliff
Basically
"You were warned, but you still voted for it. The voters' fault, not the Tory govt"

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 16:56

So if we are heading towards No Deal after October, will manufacturing make similar contingency plans again ?

dreichuplands · 10/06/2019 16:57

Leadsom is disagreeing with the number of job losses that were highlighted as being at risk but she is stating that people voted for leave having been told by the government they would be economically impacted.
Vote leave, face economic disruption wasn't what leavers said pre the ref vote.
It isn't project fear if you are using the warnings as evidence that people knew what they were voting for, that makes it project fact.
That is dishonest because leavers were rubbishing economic disruption before the vote. Remember the Brexit bonus?

DGRossetti · 10/06/2019 17:05

Remember the Brexit bonus?

Boris does. And where to spend it.

dreichuplands · 10/06/2019 17:19

I was heartened to see that when my muppet of an MP reposted BJ's nonsense about not paying our EU accounts his Twitter feed was very critical despite being in a leave area.

DGRossetti · 10/06/2019 17:23

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 17:28

Fintan O'Toole Retweeted Anthony Barnett@AnthonyBarnett

An @openDemocracy contributor and Russian investigative journalist has just been arrested by Putin on trumped up charges.
Please RT this in solidarity

oDR@opendemocracyru

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How relatives of Moscow’s deputy mayor earned billions on city contracts, amassing a fortune in real estate

Last week, Russian investigative journalist Ivan Golunov was arrested on fabricated drugs charges.

In solidarity, we republish his recent investigation into property owned by the deputy mayor of Moscow.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/how-relatives-of-moscows-deputy-mayor-earned-billions-on-city-contracts-amassing-a-fortune-in-real-estate/

BigChocFrenzy · 10/06/2019 17:30

Candidates being whittled down

Beth Rigbyy@BethRigby*

Gyimah out - couldn’t get the eight backers needed for round one

BoreOfWhabylon · 10/06/2019 17:41

pmk. Better late than never.

Hasenstein · 10/06/2019 18:13

*Candidates being whittled down

Beth Rigbyy***@BethRigby**

Gyimah out - couldn’t get the eight backers needed for round one*

He's my MP in a fairly close Leave area (53:47). Given his support for a 2nd referendum and very Remainerish pronouncements, I can't imagine he'll be adopted again at the next election. Shame, as he seems one of the relatively sane ones.

RedToothBrush · 10/06/2019 18:13

The Ten Candidates who have got a proposer, seconder and six signatories are:

Johnson
Gove
Hunt
Raab
Javid
Hancock
Harper
McVey
Stewart
Leadsom

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tobee · 10/06/2019 18:14

Cor! So we have 10 lovelies in the beauty contest. 🤨

1tisILeClerc · 10/06/2019 18:16

Can't wait for the swimwear round, where's the bucket?

tobee · 10/06/2019 18:21

Just looking at the round up of the various launches (with the sound down) I see Raab and think "God! He's the worst!" Then it moves to Hunt and I shout "oh no, wait! It's him!" And so on. And so on! GrinEnvyGrinEnvy

DGRossetti · 10/06/2019 18:22

Any chance of a circular firing squad (cf "Westworld" for the nerds ...) Grin ?

DGRossetti · 10/06/2019 18:31

Incidentally, I had an interview for Eversheds. The lead interviewer made many references to how they were a "pie and a pint" culture which had to be explicitly translated for me (because I said I didn't drink or eat meat**) into a statement that they expected people to stay on late to finish projects ...

How do you feel about that ? they finished.

Well, " I said obviously teamwork is crucial and I would happily go the extra mile to get a project across the finish line. Of course, if it kept happening, it would suggest a more systemic failure of management and expectations that the team members are being asked to cover

I didn't get the job Grin But then I didn't want it. What they didn't know is one of my hobbies was going for interviews ....

**This is a lie - I like the odd pint and happily eat meat. What I dislike is elliptical interview questions that are clearly trying to hide something. Possibly deserving of a thread in itself (especially since it's usually women that suffer ... questions about children etc ...)

frumpety · 10/06/2019 18:32

So if any bad stuff happens as a result of Brexit, the People and their much lauded will, were fully informed and aware of all such consequences ? But at the same time deny all such consequences and then in the same breath state that the consequences are worth it because of sovereignty etc.

I prefer being a Remainer because the mental gymnastics are less taxing Grin

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