Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

Now we learn that the Brexit Party Limited has a Radovan Karadžić supporter on the SE list.

(For those with short memories, that's the guy who was convicted of - and is serving a life sentence for - committing genocide in the Bosnian war.)

Brexit:

www.businessinsider.com/says-liam-fox-former-trade-chief-2019-3

Copper - you don't even try to explain because deep down, you know you've been fooled and the only thing worse than being fooled is admitting it.
So (assuming you are real) you hide behind the "i don't need to explain" mantra.

"How dare you ask for explanations"

That should be the new brexiteer slogan.

These are discussion threads - where discussions usually take place. It says soooo much that brexiteers can't even explain their own political philosophy.

So it appears naughty Mr Fox was being rather economical with the truth:
Extract from BI.
{ Countries are likely to offer the United Kingdom worse trade deals than it currently enjoys as an EU member, the former head of Liam Fox's International Trade Department has told Business Insider.
"The United Kingdom alone can offer significantly less in terms of market access or government procurement than can all of the European Union," Donnelly said.
Major trading partners of the UK including Japan and the USA have indicated that they will seek tough concessions from the UK in trade talks because it is a relatively small trading partner.
"Trade negotiators are not sentimental," Donnelly said.}

{It adds that "unjustified trade restrictions," such as the ban on the sale of chlorinated chicken and hormone-injected beef in the UK, must be removed in order to "eliminate practices that unfairly decrease U.S. market access opportunities." }

Let us rejoice, prices will go up (and the tariffs on top) and the quality will go down. Looks like a Win for the USA.

I'm surprised anyone is doing well. I thought the entire country including me had lost the will to live.

For the first 12 months after the referendum I answered the questions of remainers on these boards. All I got was "you voted leave, you sort the trade deals", and " you are breaking the GFA, what are you going to do about it".
I gave up answering many months ago because the remainers on here don't want sensible answers. They don't want a discussion. They just want to ram their opinions and insults down my throat.
I no longer engage.

Motherof,
I started this thread for leavers to celebrate the success of the Brexit party in the recent polling.
I did not start it to answer daft questions (like what ami going to do about Scunthorpe?) from remainers.

And they are still doing well in the polls.
I hope they do really well tomorrow. we will find out on Sunday.

Good to know that a third of the population is fine and dandy with voting for people with a record of supporting terrorism and genocide.

{I did not start it to answer daft questions (like what am I going to do about Scunthorpe?)}

No, you started this thread to wind people up with your total inability to think but just 'rejoice' in the destruction of the UK.
Leavers need to apologise to all those who have lost their jobs or are about to lose them.
If I came around to your house and stole your purse and told lies to your employer/partners employer so that you lose your job, would you be so forgiving and be happy?

Something to rejoice about?

Sorry Peregrina
Coppersulphate doesn't give a damn about them because she has the wisdom of Farage behind her.

Yep agree, so long as the fools get Brexit, they don't give a xxxx about the UK or anyone else.

Perhaps those in B/S who voted leave are regretting their choice?

{Perhaps those in B/S who voted leave are regretting their choice?}
Those on the 'shop floor' might have been taken in by some of the lies and it without examining their situation it is difficult to say.
Generally with this industry and many others the UK managements SHOULD have taken into account the inherent problem of mass manufacture (the ones that depend on mineral and other resources) and seen that BULK manufacturing was going to China and elsewhere, so that to retain profitability the UK needed to specialise and invest appropriately. A grander scale of the Swiss perhaps where they import semi prepared 'ingredients' but turn out high precision quality parts.
Without massive investment, that possibility is gone, and leaving the EU CU/SM kills off any advantage for the UK.

A grander scale of the Swiss perhaps where they import semi prepared 'ingredients' but turn out high precision quality parts.

We ought to be able to do this. I would imagine that as a proportion of the total population we have more highly skilled people than the Chinese. They will of course beat us hands down in numbers.

{We ought to be able to do this.}
Absolutely but there are a couple of massive problems.
To be most beneficial it needs good access to world trade (markets) so the UK would have to be in either the 'EU' gang, or well integrated into US/China. We are in the process of buggering that one.
China has an issue with intellectual property laws (against foreigners) and the USA is only a bit better.
Skills shortage. Well, it COULD be done, but leaving the EU makes it less attractive for European entrepreneurs to want to stay in the UK.
Investment. It would need a LOT of it and those with big pockets are wary of the UK's intentions and would rightly want to see proper dividends.
Transport. HS2 is largely a waste as it is only an advantage to move people. Movement of goods on the basis that it is scheduled and RELIABLE does not need to be fast.
All in all, why should any entrepreneur really bother with the UK when being hit by several 'impediments'.

Almost on cue, an article on SKY saying that China produced as much steel in 2 years as the UK has done in 150. To think the UK will make any headway 'like for like' against that is ridiculous.
More contentious, coal powered power stations. UK 'celebrating a few weeks of no coal burning, whereas China is putting up new ones at a rate of about 1 every 2 months.

Whoops, got carried away, forgetting this thread is about celebrating Farage's lack of a plan.

The U.K. can and does do high-quality component manufacturing. Not enough of it, for sure. But Airbus and Rolls Royce and Nissan and Toyota all buy components from British manufacturers. (I work for a company that supplies high tech materials and components to companies like that!)

But this sort of business only really works in two scenarios (and if you can combine the two it's even better): you need low-friction or friction-free access to regional supply chains, and/or some sort of specialisation that allows you to take a large chunk of a global market. A good example of the latter would be Irish medical device component manufacturing plants (helped by tax bribes in this case of course).

Mistigri
I'm aware that the UK can do spectacularly good work but it is being undermined on several fronts (??) by leaving the EU and lack of proper investment in technology, transport and people, all of which SHOULD have been influenced and assisted by the UK government.
The Nissan works in Sunderland had a lot of help initially from Thatcher's government and she was deemed as 'bad', but it seems to have got steadily worse.
The electronics for Galileo satellites is/was built in the UK but risks leaving.

I did not start it to answer daft questions (like what ami going to do about Scunthorpe?) from remainers.

The question was “what would Farage do about British Steel?”

And of course, he can’t / won’t do anything about it, despite it being the direct fallout of his Brexit policy.

Sure. But the narrative that Britain doesn't make stuff generally comes from people who don't work in manufacturing.

Not only do British companies make stuff in Britain they also used homemade technology to make products in other markets.

Of course I don't think we do enough of this, but there is a U.K. manufacturing sector that could be built in with sensible govt policy and, of course, by cancelling Brexit.

"Built on" not "built in"