Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

1tisILeClerc
Without the WA being signed and until new negotiations start the UK will be a 'third country' with no trade deals

What do you mean by no trade deals? What about the following - quite a long list - of trade agreements already signed?

Updated 15th May;
"Signed UK trade agreements transitioned from the EU"
www.gov.uk/guidance/signed-uk-trade-agreements-transitioned-from-the-eu

jasjas1973
any trade deals Fox may be doing now is just replicating some the numerous FTA's we've with the EU right now

Any agreements carried over now can be upgraded in the future.

If you think the UK was doing badly from the EU, perhaps look at the MEPs who were representing the UK.

A certain Farage, who as fisheries minister only appeared at 1 out of 42 debates. I wonder why that might have gone wrong?
People want to vote for him again in ANY capacity, look at his track record of incompetence.
There are of course many good MEPs who have fought for the UK's points of view. Sadly they do their job in a conscientious and quietly efficient manner so don't hit the headlines.

Bagsy the first cave.

Most of that list the UK is perfectly capable of doing without the EU.

No, it really isn’t- not with the likes of BJ,NF and JRM at the helm. Are you even kidding yourself when you make statements like that? Most of that list will find itself in the bin if we end up with a no deal Brexit, due to the self serving fuckwits that are behind all this.

There are far too many pen pushers on large salaries that we are paying for. They are overly expensive

How much do you think Brexit has cost the country all ready? A shit load more than the “expense” you’re bleating on about that’s for sure, and unlike the money paid for our EU membership there is NOTHING good to show for it. Zilch. Zero.

Apart from da feelz

{What do you mean by no trade deals? What about the following - quite a long list - of trade agreements already signed?}

The UK trades through the EU with up to 70 countries, that list is rather short and importantly missing much of the FOOD that the UK imports.
Importantly, although there may be agreements to trade, are they on BETTER terms than currently which is what Mr Fox PROMISED as the deals are so easy?
Hint, if the goods are the same as currently supplied through EU membership, the answer will be NO according to WTO rules.
I hope he won't be breaking his promises because you know how bad that would be.

Bellini, you cannot deny that we make a net contribution to the EU budget.

At least our own MPs are accountable directly to us and don't have to get everything agreed with 27 other countries.
I don't think our government or my local council are overly expensive or wasteful. I pay my taxes and council tax happily because I can see the results.

Only yesterday a change of heart. We were 'Promised' no chlorinated chicken from the USA by Gove.
Yesterday Fox said yes chlorinated chicken is on the way.

They impose their laws and rules on us and we pay a lot of money to them for the privilege.

As a country which has been a member since 1973 we have had ample opportunity to express our opinions on what laws we would like to see and those that we disagree with. Indeed we have proposed some ourselves. If we as a country can't now be bothered to engage then we can't complain. Jacob Rees-Mogg effectively admitted that we had been part of the decision making process when the talked about the WA making us a vassal state - which means that we weren't a vassal state before.

But to go back to the leader of the Brexit party that you are rejoicing about - as a representative on the fisheries committee, Farage attended 1 out of 42 sessions. How did he expect his voice to be heard if he couldn't be bothered to attend? How might the case for the British fishing industry been better put, if we had a representative who took the commitment seriously and attended each meeting?

@Coppersulphate , I'm not interested in having should we leave/should we stay discussions with you. We had the referendum and Leave won. And yet it is because of Leave MPs not having the courage to back WA, that we haven't left yet.
Why are you bothering rehashing old arguments when the only issue is why Leave MPs have messed Leave up.

There is no majority for No Deal and, by making that the only version of Leave that Leavistas will accept, you are risking us leaving at all.

And if the Brexit party really did make a breakthrough at Westminster, they would have to start to develop some policies. Farage mouthing off would not be sufficient. The example of Farage's previously publicity vehicle UKIP and their local government representatives did not show them in a favourable light. One term of office, the electorate is sick of them, and they get booted out.

Looking at the 'super' (possible) trade deal with Iceland.
The UK trade is about half of the amount that is done by the Netherlands, and similar amount to Spain, where the UK buys mostly Aluminium and a variety of fish related products. A total of around half a Billion worth. Trade with the rest of the EU is in the order of 200 Billion so we are looking at a 'massive' 0.5%

I don't think the EU employs too many 'pen pushers', if by that you mean unelected staff / bureaucrats. There are about 33,000, approx the same number of people employed by Leeds City Council. That's less than a tenth of the size of the UK Civil Service.

I'm sure there's plenty of scope for efficiency reforms within the EU, eg with MEP allowances, but I doubt there are any large organizations where that's not the case.

1tisILeClerc
that list is rather short

It's much longer than you thought obviously - you definitely posted that we would have 'no trade deals - I don't think you can wriggle out^ of that one.

The UK signed the UK-Andean Countries Trade Agreement (with Colombia, Ecuador and Peru) yesterday.

Work in progress on the remaining countries here:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal

I suppose if you keep insisting that the EU won't be sending us any food, then customs will be clear for medicines to get through - or do you think the EU will refuse to sell us medicines as well?

But at least the Leavers have dropped the 'unelected' word for now - otherwise, what would Big Mouth Farage been standing in?

"do you think the EU will refuse to sell us medicines as well?"
It's how much they charge us to buy and what tariffs other countries put in our goods when we try to sell to them.

Clavinova
I've given up caring what you think, you are as full of shit as most other 'leavers'.
If you were to present the actual DETAILS of these wonderful new trade deals and show that they are BETTER than the UK gets as part of the EU then I might apologise (although I don't really need to).
You need to address the issue that the 'trade deals' so far are a small percentage of what is needed and that already 'promises' made by cabinet ministers (supposedly honourable) are being broken before the UK has actually left. Why are Fox's trade deals with the USA 'secret' for 4 years for example?

"It's how much they charge us to buy and what tariffs other countries put in our goods when we try to sell to them"

Indeed - but that's not what 1tisILeClerc is saying here is it?

"They have said that in the event of a 'no deal' that a restricted flight schedule and trucks can continue to deliver food for up to 9 or 12 months, after which the UK would be isolated."

I think @1tisILeClerc , is a lot clearer than you @Clavinova and the links you think anyone can be bothered to click on. Can't you just use your own words? Can't you summarise?

Can't you just use your own words? Can't you summarise?
Make stuff up do you mean?

Well if I thought you were an interesting commentator rather than an inveterate cut and paste merchant I would read what you say even if I disagree with it.

bellinisurge
I would read what you say even if I disagree with it.

Probably a blessing in disguise then - you are often exceptionally rude to posters you disagree with.

Anyway, the sun is out...

We can look out of the window or go outside to see whether the sun is out - we really don't need someone telling us that on the internet.

{"They have said that in the event of a 'no deal' that a restricted flight schedule and trucks can continue to deliver food for up to 9 or 12 months, after which the UK would be isolated."}

Is a paraphrase of what the EU have put in place as part of their 'no deal' preparations. The implications of a real, no deal 'A50 Brexit' are catastrophic and almost prevent ANY trade. Obviously the EU are being (perhaps foolishly) more accommodating than the letter of the law, but until the WA is signed the UK is in a very precarious position, more than most cabinet members would ever admit in public.
The costs, both simple financial and environmental of reconfiguring the trade that the UK does will be astronomic. Without 'deals' with the EU there are few other countries with sufficient 'spare' capacity to feed the UK unless you are planning a totally immoral 'grab' of the foods in Africa and other places.

Despite the HoC voting against a 'no deal' Brexit, they are not the ones in charge here, legally it is the EU and they are waiting patiently for the UK to come up with a workable plan. The UK invoked A50, now it has to come up with the goods.

There are far too many pen pushers on large salaries that we are paying for. They are overly expensive

So you are happy to vote send Brexit Party MEPs on large salaries and expenses to Europe? Probably with the intention of doing very little work and just being obtuse like Farage who has one of the lowest attendance records in the EU parliament. In fact the only reason he shows up is to record his speech, usually unrelated to what's being debated and post it online. He makes no contribution and seems proud that he gets paid for this. So you want to vote for more Farages but complain there are too many pen pushers?