Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

Most of the polls suggest that BXP is taking the same voters as UKIP took last time.

I remain convinced that Farage has a hard ceiling and that he's peaked too soon.

LDs in contrast look likely to time their peak much better. Change U.K. will lose votes as tactical anti-Brexit votes move to LD or Green; a two-way split is probably good for boosting remain MEP numbers, a three way split isn't.

Fucknugget is a good term!

I am incredulous that 25- 30% of the (mostly over 65) voters think slippery NF is to be trusted.

I suppose he has shown skills in sidelining UKIP. Although their own egos did for them too.
The nugget has occupied a lucrative political corner which many would envy. He has found the Katie Hopkins gravy train route to notoriety and personal wealth.

1.	His first pot of money is the  earnings pocketed from broadcasting of between €590,048 and €790,000. And those  are only the declared amounts of earnings. 
2.	Then his campaigning lifestyle is funded by donors. So he has free access to that second pot of money. 
3.	Plus  all the fuss about his MEP salary and pension on top of that.  

It’s a niche market he has cornered very well.And yet he's to be trusted over all apparently.

He has already been subtly distancing himself from the Brexit agenda. I would bet heavily on the fact that he wouldn't even Brexit.

I remain convinced that Farage has a hard ceiling and that he's peaked too soon.

I hope you are right. There are still people alive who actually fought against Fascism, and to see Fascist Farage mouth off must be deeply disturbing for them.

My father in law fought against fascism. He is voting for the Brexit Party.

{My father in law fought against fascism. He is voting for the Brexit Party.}
Did you seek his permission to reveal this?
People are entitled to keep their voting preferences secret.

The majority of people who fought against fascism did so, not because of principle or moral conviction, but because of conscription or poverty, which made it a sensible economic decision. Because of that, you can't make any assumptions about their beliefs or political leanings as there will be all shades of political positions amongst them.

Someone who fought against fascism, who is voting for a party led by a Fascist? Nowt so queer as folk!

Before the last War the upper classes were very enamoured of Fascism and Hitler, and it could have gone either way - we could have not got involved in the war. Hitler didn't really expect us to.

I hardly think what Farage has earned in his political career would touch the sides of what he would have earnt as a Commodities trader in the city.
Where has he distanced himself from the Brexit agenda?

Lonely, how do you know that most voters who support the Brexit party are over 65.
I am not, neither are my 2 DCs or their partners.

And as I said earlier there is no mention of any border in the GFA. Have you read the GFA?

I don't think for a minute the NF would sign the WA.

You all say the EU elections don't matter but over on the other thread everyone is talking about tactical voting for the LDs to send a message to the Govt. Can't have it both ways.

I'm not an over 65 either and neither are any of my Brexit voting friends and family.
Up thread someone mentioned that Brexit will impact the environment! Why? Why would not be able to set our own even more stringent laws and set up our own waste management systems without the need to ask the EU.

Many of us Remainers are also over 65.

Would NF even bother to turn up to Parliament? I suppose he might, I believe they have subsidised bars.

Who has said the EU elections don't matter? I seem to recall it was mostly Leavers.

Why vote for a fascist if you've fought against on in the 1940s, now my Gran (98) who was a WAAF plotter got to vote in the referendum before she died later the same year, her opinion of farridge was

' I'm not voting for that man he'll have us in cahoots with the yanks the chinese the japs and I'm not having any of his bullshit I've had enough of the likes of him'
She was not wrong and I really miss her she was a formidable lady who you did not cross, obviously she won the war singlehandedly though

Most Leavers I know are well under 65. And I know old gimmer Remain voters. Such as me, my dh, my in-laws and my late Mum

@Coppersulphate - And as I said earlier in response to you previous mention of the lack to detail on borders in the GFA:

No, it doesn't. But is does have a lot of detail on cross-community and cross-border co-operation, much of which would be difficult, if not impossible, without an open border.

To suggest that an open border is not necessary for the implementation of the GFA suggests you are either ignorant of the reality of NI and the GFA or a member/supporter of the DUP who would be very happy to see the GFA ripped up.

Some age stats from the recent BMG poll.

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The poll I mentioned has the 55-65 age group as the biggest supporters of BXP.

The EP elections are very important to me - I don’t want to be represented by a load of embarrassing disruptive trouble makers.

Why would we not be able to set our own even more stringent laws and set up our own waste management systems without the need to ask the EU?

There is no practical reason. There needs to be political will. NF has none on this issue.

Some links below from a range of sources on why Brexit will affect the environment, mainly because the UK already has a poor track record of meeting targets and because of the lack of independent watchdog:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/what-would-brexit-mean-for-britains-green-targets/
www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44814783
www.brexitenvironment.co.uk/challenges/
friendsoftheearth.uk/brexit

From the last source:
UK Environmental Policy Post-Brexit: A Risk Analysis confirms that environmental laws could be weakened. Birds and wildlife habitats are at risk in a range of post-Brexit scenarios.

The report shows the government's 25-year environment plan is short on detail – and weaker than EU laws in some areas. Plus, without an independent watchdog, it can't hold the government to account.

@Doubletrouble99 - Why would not be able to set our own even more stringent laws and set up our own waste management systems without the need to ask the EU.

There is nothing stopping the UK setting more stringent laws and waste management systems while within the EU. No need to ask anyone.

The fact the UK has not done this suggests that there is neither the will nor the desire to do so. That is unlikely to change post-Brexit.

Why would we not be able to set our own even more stringent laws and set up our own waste management systems without the need to ask the EU?

Given that one of the main complaints about the EU from Brexiteers is the amount of restrictive rules and regulations it imposes, it seems unlikely that they would then support the imposition of new ones, especially as that would likely increase manufacturing costs at a time when our economy may well be weaker.

I am not suggesting there should be a hard border on the island if Ireland.

I am saying the GFA is silent on the issue so stop saying Brexit will tear up the GFA. I have read the agreement. It does not mention a border.

And of course cross border cooperation can continue regardless of the border.

@Coppersulphate you clearly know nothing about it

@Coppersulphate - I am saying the GFA is silent on the issue so stop saying Brexit will tear up the GFA. I have read the agreement. It does not mention a border.

You may have read the GFA but, based on your comments, it is clear you have little to no understanding of the practical implications of its implementation.

The majority of people in NI voted Remain. A big majority. That means people from both communities must have agreed on Remain. Does it ever occur to you that maybe there is a reason for that?

The majority of people in NI voted Remain.

The main leave constituencies were DUP strongholds. And we know what they think of the GFA.

@Coppersulphate You seem to be quite pleased with your findings and interpretation of the GFA and yet contradict this by saying that you do not want a hard border. Do you really think that all involved in this process - politicians and civil servants in the UK, Ireland, EU negotiators ,legal advisors, security services have been wrong all along? Perhaps if they had your insight into NI and re read the GFA they could crack on with the border everything would be hunky dory.