What are your alternatives to the backstop to get the WA through Parliament?

[bellinisurge]

Urgh! Not this again. Assume I already think that.

But

I voted Remain. I'll accept a Brexit that means we don't mess with GFA. The WA - as flawed as it is - does that. What else you got - specifically on the Ireland/UK border?

My local community FB is full of Yaxley Lennon support. I can only hope those are a few noisy wankers . I know that there is a majority for Brexit at least in my area. I want to know what is better than WA .

Do you think the UK should be dictated to by a few dozen murderous thugs?

Of course, not. Do I think that Brexit is so Important that the price is worth a Civil War? Emphatically not, and I am more than happy to to want nothing to do with Leavers who apparently do think so.

The elephant in the room here is that if Brexit doesn't lead to a hard border, it'll be because there is no longer any border at all (except in the Irish Sea).

The hard land border we'll be worrying about will be the one between England and newly independent Scotland.

misti Yes, this is what I think will happen. I think there are a lot of Brexiteers with no understanding of exactly how small we are who would like that to happen!

Another thing I noted in the "Brexit: Behind Closed Doors" documentary was that very early on in Part 1 you could hear the off-camera voice of a UK negotiator virtually pleading with the EP negotiators not to use the NI/RoI border as part of any 'deal'.

Soon after, there is a clip of Verhofstadt speaking to the EP about the necessity of preserving the Peace. That was about the last time anyone in the documentary mentioned "Peace" - the EP negotiators
thereafter referred to the Border/GFA as "well, they decided to Leave so they need to put up with it.

As I have said before, I support WA as it allows for a 'techno-border' to be created in the future. However, it has always been possible that an Exception could have been made from the outset.

I did find the "Brexit: Behind Closed Doors" documentary a good 'showcase' for how the EP section of the EU operates and would like to see more (except no so much of Verhofstadt with his shirt off) but even the ego of Verhofstadt couldn't bear the cameras to film much more.

{As I have said before, I support WA as it allows for a 'techno-border' to be created in the future. }
You are talking about the impossible here as there is no way 'technology' can identify the contents of fast moving vehicles to the degree that it can ensure that for example chickens were not chlorine washed.
To paraphrase Theresa, 'Borders means borders'. The UK is 'taking back control of it's borders' so what do you think that means?

Well, if NI should become some vast hotbed of contraband and sub-standard goods (such as the MN chicken - chlorinated version) ready to be shipped to the mass-market of the RoI, besides eating my hat, I'm reasonably certain that the 'powers that be' in both the UK and RoI will act upon that unlikely eventuality (tho there's always some chancers).

clerc - research MN Chicken - add some irony to your life.

{clerc - research MN Chicken - add some irony to your life.}
Don't want to, I want to be petulant and ignorant.

Carry on clerc - I knew you'd start to get the hang of the MN thang eventually....just need to work on your 'shortcut symbols' and you'll be as good as an MN Chicken to post on any MN Thread .

I'm only on MN for 'Brexit' as I have plenty of real life to get on with.

Glad that Leave supporters have a useful contribution to make about the border. The only reason why we haven't left the EU yet. It's good to know that this time is being used wisely by them.

If there is a border with different rules on either side there will be potential for arbitrage which in plain terms means - there will be smuggling.

And smuggling means money for criminal gangs; money that will find its way into the pockets of extremists on both sides.

It's good to know that this time is being used wisely by them

They are using the time to try to get their fuhrer elected. They are not interested in Irish issues.

As I have said before, I support WA as it allows for a 'techno-border' to be created in the future.

Oh ffs. Do some bloody research.

Stating the bleeding obvious again clerc? So, you have no interest in MN at all and just want to use the MN Boards to vent your spleen about Brexit.

I suppose your life is too interesting and busy to find another forum? Or start one? Please do direct me to these other places of Brexit debate?

Or maybe you're just another bloke, living abroad, who'd rather wimp his little way on here, than actually do something about his own situation?

Tatiana ffs what are you talking about - please be more clear in your responses; so far I can only assume that you think all things are not possible, ffs...

I have fa responsibility to someone who hasn’t even done basic research on the subject they’re posting about.

HateIsNotGood
I sometimes look at other areas of MN, but it is mostly depressing. I chose to look at the Brexit threads on MN as there are contributors that think and trawl various media and other outlets of information.
I am also a moderator on another forum and a significant technical contributor on another, something to do with being old with a reasonable memory and being prepared to help others.
Your comments are particularly pathetic considering this is an open forum for PARENTS, for which I qualify, and I have spent considerable time and effort over the years enabling youngsters to do interesting and exiting things.
Just you carry on making opportunities for our children more difficult, I am sure they will cope eventually.

Well, if you can't be arsed Tatty I carnet be arsed to point out to you the technological infrastructure that can be put into place.

Has anyone ever told you that you have great negotiating skills?
If they have, then clearly, they were wrong.

Would that be because no such infrastructure exists?

Thank you for calling me "pathetic" clercy-poo, and, just like yourself, I also will continue to make as many opportunities available for my children just as you do.

Your version of "opportunities for my children" obviously differs from mine.

Can someone call a taxi, {clercy-poo] needs to go home.....

bellini - it means until that infrastructure exists - because the tech can be created, as well you know.

Glad to see you are working hard for reuniting a divided country and coming up with some great ideas as an alternative to the backstop @HateIsNotGood .

I'm also confident that we can come up with a technological solution. Which is why I supported WA because it gave us a chance to do that and Leave - because I accepted the results of the referendum. But Leave MPs blocked it.

Bellini as I've said many a time before we agree, we both agree, you voted one way, I voted t'other...it's the likes of you and me that see the 'sense' of getting WA through.

I/We can only wait for the others to catch up.

{I/We can only wait for the others to catch up.}

Well the EU negotiators have been waiting for the WA to be signed since early December. Theresa signed up to it but it seems she is one of the few that acknowledge it has to be signed if the UK is leaving.