What are your alternatives to the backstop to get the WA through Parliament?

[bellinisurge]

Urgh! Not this again. Assume I already think that.

But

I voted Remain. I'll accept a Brexit that means we don't mess with GFA. The WA - as flawed as it is - does that. What else you got - specifically on the Ireland/UK border?

My local community FB is full of Yaxley Lennon support. I can only hope those are a few noisy wankers . I know that there is a majority for Brexit at least in my area. I want to know what is better than WA .

Hi Belinisurge
I am surprised at you asking this question as there is NO alternative to the backstop. The EU will insist on it, the UK has relatively little or very close to no choice in the matter, but is refusing to understand this.
When Theresa signed up to A50, she should have read the small print and understood what it means. She signed the rights to decide away.

English independence with a big border round the whole of England . Leave the rest of us just the way we are

I didn't think there was anything better than the WA as it currently stands? Given that it can't be reopened (although the EU probably would reopen it if there was a sudden tech breakthrough that solves the Irish border issue). The only thing better is Revoke article 50!

I can only presume people still wanting Brexit either don't give a monkeys about the GFA or believe there is some mystical way (using Unicorns) to have an invisible border?

As far as I can see @CrunchyCarrot , you are correct in your analysis. But I am still hopeful of some Leave supporter on here making realistic sense.
I am bored of all the tired arguments about the EU Army and Europe run by unelected bureaucrats and how we can make great trade deals because we are ace.
I just want to know how, in practical terms we get to the other side of Brexit Stage # 1 without messing with GFA. I'm sure we can eventually find a technology solution to the border but it isn't here now.

Any form of leaving the EU will be a 'worse deal' than we have with the EU at the moment. That is a FACT.
The 'unicorn fanciers' seem to think that a deal with OTHERS might be better overall than what we enjoy with the EU, that is VERY unlikely as apart from (possibly) cheaper produce, it is very likely to be poorer standard and certainly in terms of fresh foodstuffs, it would be horrendously expensive to obtain beyond the EU, where currently lettuces and tomatoes picked in Span one day can be on your supermarket shelf the day after.

A customs union removes any need for any backstop.

There is no alternative. We can't have any form of border in Ireland. The WA is the least worst option if you want to leave: you can't just tacitly agree to ignore it as most of the Brexiteers appear to do.

Although, I agree a customs union would remove the backdrop. But then, why bother leaving?

Because it makes the leavers think they've "won", and that's all they're bothered about.

I love this whole "well, the Irish won't build a border, we won't build a border , so it's sorted" nonsense that Faridge comes out with. The WTO rules anticipate a bit of a fudge while you sort shit out. But they assume you will sort shit out. You need control of your economic area to trade internationally. You just do. If you can do that with technology, the WTO doesn't care. But

THERE IS CURRENTLY NO GFA COMPLIANT TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTION

As the EU has already admitted, they will need something in place eventually. And so will we. So we will need some sort of border infrastructure, even just an ANPR camera at every crossing point. This is not GFA compliant. The WTO doesn't have an exemption in its rules for being fab generally. Nor does it have one for unicorns.

The issue with the Gibraltar/Spain border has gone very quiet.

There aren't any alternatives to the backstop. Unless you have a customs union as PP above said. (Although I thought you also had to have SM?) But if you are going to do that you may as well stay in the EU.

Leavers don't have any feasible alternatives.As far as I can see, they fall into one of three camps:

1. They don't realise/understand about the GFA and the implications if it's broken.

2.They understand about the GFA but think there is some magic solution to get round the border problem. (There clearly isn't - because if there was a realistic solution it would have been found by now).

3.They don't give a shit.

TM needs to get a grip and give everyone an ultimatum.It's the WA with the backstop or we revoke article 50. But she won't.

There isn't an alternative to the backstop. The Good Friday agreement must be adhered to, and a Brexit which does not involve the UK staying in the SM and CU (or at least NI doing so) breaches the agreement.

There are a few Leavers on MN and not one has turned up yet. It's a shame because I genuinely want to hear what their alternatives are.

They are unlikely to turn up because once we ask them questions they will say they are being bullied. The obvious question of why isn't that being done now, because it's nothing to do with the EU almost invariably produces a flounce.

Big fucking walk round England and Wales, as they’re the only parts of the U.K. that voted to leave.

That would be a big fucking wall

I'm a Leaver and I support the WA, a lot of Leave voters do. bellini surely by now you must realize that most MNetters who voted to Leave don't bother coming onto the Brexit Board as it's a little bit Remain-centric.

With regards to getting the WA through the HoC, towards the end of "Brexit: Behind Closed Doors" Barnier did say that it was the Remainers that were causing the problems with the WA.

Well reinstate Hadrian's efforts and as London voted Remain, just but a very high fence on the outside lane of the M25.
The Chinese were good at walls I believe, I am surprised that Trump hasn't got them to do a quote.

{ "Brexit: Behind Closed Doors" Barnier did say that it was the Remainers that were causing the problems with the WA.}
It's both Leavers and remainers. Leavers haven't worked out how to do it without destroying the GFA and don't want to accept the backstop.
Remainers are causing a 'problem' because they don't want top leave at all.

Why then are these boards Remain centric? After three years the Leavers should be absolutely brimming with workable ideas. We should now for example have a long long list of laws which they found unacceptable, that we had absolutely no say in the making of at EU level, and then we need to be told how they intend to replace them.

Yes, thank you for stating the bleeding obvious (clerc except for your statement that Leavers won't accept the WA, because clearly many do.

Yes, Remainers are causing a problem because they don't want to Leave, and?? are they going to continue to cause problems and exacerbate the current situation until they realize that Revoke is just a fairy tale?

Maybe, it might be more sensible to write to your WA-rejector MPs and urge them to accept WA.

Peregrina because of posts like yours - demanding MNetters fully explain to you in precise detail how exactly everything is going to work out.

Even many Remain MNetters have got bored with this Board - the audience/posters are dwindling.

But revoke isn't a 'fairy tale'. It is still entirely possible if someone with a brain takes command in the UK.
Unfortunately this does not seem likely in the very near future.
Reputedly everyone 'hates' the WA, which is a shame as it will have to be signed before the EU start any forward negotiations.

FWIW Peregrina - I personally don't think too many of The Laws need changing, with most easily amended.