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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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Songsofexperience · 12/05/2019 13:35

The idea is thousands of years old and I can only hope the wives of Republicans will all read Lysistrata 😁

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 14:09

Looks like St Andrews Day is only sort of a Bank Holiday in Scotland Confused - it's been designated a bank holiday but neither banks nor firms have to actually offer it as a holiday Confused

Shades of the governments "police can have extra money to tackle knife crime" only to discover that the "extra" money is a synonym for "money from elsewhere".

RedToothBrush · 12/05/2019 14:56

Paul Brand @paulbranditv
NEW: One Conservative MP on 1922 exec tells me PM's meeting with them on Thurs is "make or break". If she refuses to step down, '22 is likely to take an immediate vote on whether to change leadership rules to try again to force her out.

Source believes numbers will be enough to change rules this time. Polling this weekend has shown "existential threat" to Conservatives, they say. And after local elections "We don't need to wait for the sequel. All planets are now aligning. She has to go."

Source believes numbers will be enough to change rules this time. Polling this weekend has shown "existential threat" to Conservatives, they say. And after local elections "We don't need to wait for the sequel. All planets are now aligning. She has to go."

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woman19 · 12/05/2019 15:02

Wonder how a play off between NF and BJ would affect their and our polling?

They'll both be fighting over the same 20% of the electorate.
(which didn't work out well for right wing in Spain)

prettybird · 12/05/2019 15:04

To be fair, quite a few of the "bank/public holidays" in Scotland are flexible, to allow for local variations. For example, iirc we don't get the early August one in Glasgow, but get one at the end of September (the "September Weekend") instead. And isn't there a late August Bnak Holiday in England? We definitely don't get that one - but we do get a Scotland wide holiday on 2 January.

In my last job, all the statutory public holidays were added on to our holiday allowance to take when we wanted, with the exception of 4 days in Scotland (25, 26 December and 1 and 2 January) or 3 days in England (25, 26 December and 1 January) when the offices were well and truly shut. Grin

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 15:34

Theresa May is not the problem.

The problem is the Conservative party has decided to become the Brexit party without informing it's members or voters.

(See also: Labour).

anyone else starting to feel that politics has regressed to primary school level, and the whole electorate are being held back in class because of the few idiots that wouldn't stop talking ?

Peregrina · 12/05/2019 16:09

“But when that referendum came in, we said, ‘Look, we made you a promise that what you decided is what we would do’,”

As far as I recall it was Cameron who made the promise: "I will implement the result of what you decide." And promptly cleared off.

What happens if May is forced out this week? Brexit means Brexit and I intend to make a success of it, fails. Then there will be a ghastly interregnum period where they all scramble over each other. Will Johnson try for the top job again? Isn't it the wrong time of the year with the cricket season starting?

bellinisurge · 12/05/2019 16:16

That's exactly what it feels like @DGRossetti .
If my dd (really into cars) said "Mum, we should have a Porsche , make it happen ", I would say "we can't make it happen because we have neither the money nor the space ", she might nurse a sense of grievance for a bit but would have to get over it. It would be totally unreasonable for her to say "I told you what we should have, it's your fault for not making it happen ".
I know Leavers get triggered by analogies but, hey, past caring.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 16:23

With a clear calm head, it's a mystery why an MP that opposed Leaving ever felt the need to "honour the referendum". Usually MPs are more than happy to act in complete opposition to their constituents. Hence the rather unedifying spectacle of one Gisela Stuart deigning to turn up to "support" a local post office that was earmarked for closure as a esult of a measure she voted for in parliament. She almost got away with it too, but some gobshite in the crowd asked the reporter that was there to ask her that question, and suddenly there was business elsewhere. Bloody well informed locals eh ?

Just seen a comment float across my feed ... "You cannot have an accountable government without an accountable press". Not sure there's much to argue with there.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 16:24

What happens if May is forced out this week?

She won't be.

1tisILeClerc · 12/05/2019 16:45

I suppose if 'Our Treeza' put her cast iron pants on and laid it on the line that the WA WILL be signed (as she has no choice anyway) then she can ask the cabinet and HoC what they want to do next.
Signing the WA is effectively compatible with revoke anyway and and bad joints can be covered with a bit of pollyfiller.
It is the Unicorn fantasy that the HoC/cabinet think that the WA doesn't need signing that is a big problem. Why the hell they can't understand plain English which has been spoken by Mr Barnier and all others since early December is just beyond stupid.

1tisILeClerc · 12/05/2019 16:46

And and was not a stammer, it should be and any!

LonelyTiredandLow · 12/05/2019 17:35

Catching up and am very surprised none of you have commented on Frottage's admission that he won't even create a manifesto. We all know he has no other policies but this should be further proof to his voters that he has no credibility due to no accountability. However someone told me just now apparently the Tories have decided this is an amazing idea and they also are now not going to create a manifesto! Is this true?

Talk about race to the bottom of democracy!

1tisILeClerc · 12/05/2019 17:45

{Frottage's admission that he won't even create a manifesto.}
I mentioned it a couple of days ago but I am used to being ignored and it doesn't bother me.
I suppose not having a manifesto stops later complaints, a bit like the whole of Brexit, the concept of leaving,,,,,,, what EXACTLY.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 17:50

Catching up and am very surprised none of you have commented on Frottage's admission that he won't even create a manifesto.

If people are going to vote for you anyway, why waste time, money and furthermore risk being held to something you actually promised.

Far easier to trick others into avoiding it in the first place.

Once again the UKs "constitution" lets us down.

Anyway, surely no manifesto is the logical conclusion in an electorate where a vast majority of people happily vote by rosette anyway ? Completely unburdened by any contact with "policies".

Most people put more effort into shaving a few quid off their insurance in a single year than they do learning about where their vote is going over their entire lifetime.

LonelyTiredandLow · 12/05/2019 17:52

DR - yes I get why he is doing it, I just am constantly amazed that these people willing to vote for mystery box are apparently so keen to make our country "great" again Hmm

LonelyTiredandLow · 12/05/2019 17:55

I can't find anything online about Tories following suit anyway.

Sorry 1tisI, don't meant to ignore anyone! I've been rushed reading/catching up.

Did think AM gave him a better interview than I've seen for a while - Frot was visibly distressed and clearly afraid of his own contradictions.

DGRossetti · 12/05/2019 17:55

I just am constantly amazed that these people willing to vote for mystery box are apparently so keen to make our country "great" again

Let's wait and see. The EU elections are a waste of time for diving any great intent from. As politicians (used to) love to say ... "the only poll that matters is an election."

The UK has to run out of (alleged) Farage supporters sometime. Unless they are a portal to infinite energy.

I'm also starting to wonder if my suggestion upthread may have been quietly picked up somewhere and is bearing fruit. After all, like newspapers, pollsters don't have to worry about getting it wrong.

borntobequiet · 12/05/2019 18:18

I said that neither Cons nor Lab would want a GE because of the impossibility of writing a credible manifesto that included Brexit...I don’t think they can manage such for the Euros. Have they put anything out yet? I heard some Conservatives on the radio saying they wouldn’t be campaigning at all.

woodpigeons · 12/05/2019 18:36

I don’t think Farage knows how to write a manifesto (neither do I but I have no plans to start a political party).

Peregrina · 12/05/2019 18:39

Er, sorry I don't get this. The BBC is not interested in Farage. Who was that on the Andrew Marr show then?

Littlespaces · 12/05/2019 18:44

The comments are really funny. Grin

woman19 · 12/05/2019 18:51

Sadly, the Marr interview with that person, was a BBC equivalent of street fascists shouting and intimidating those who are not of their ilk, and live streaming the encounter for clicks and cash. The turqoise party will be quite content with it. Sad

LonelyTiredandLow · 12/05/2019 19:25

I thought he was visibly squirming and clearly didn't like to hear his previous opinions challenged or bought up. I liked that Marr pinpointed NHS and climate change as these are two very dodgy areas for Nige and he was very flustered. I don't think he was calm and collected at all! Then to admit he has no manifesto with such a clearly rubbish excuse...I don't know how anyone could think that was a winning appearance for him. He called out the BBC to distract (and annoyingly this is what even the Guardian is now reporting).