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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 19:34

I hope you are all sitting comfortably and ready to take the news that our intrepid 'easiest deals ever' has secured some deals with Columbia, Peru, Ecuador.
Hurrah! the UK economy is saved, who needs those pesky Europeans when we can import goodness knows what from the other side of the planet.

  • I might be being mildly sarcastic.
bellinisurge · 15/05/2019 19:36

Apparently, Leavers are triggered by MN posters saying Hurrah if those posters aren't Leavers. Also by analogies. Also by facts. Also by freedom of speech that isn't Leavespeak.

Peregrina · 15/05/2019 19:36

What deals exactly? Imports of llama wool?

TalkinPaece · 15/05/2019 19:41

Nothing yet for me (but I am an immigrant after all)
Labour for DH
Libdem and Brexit for the kids

1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 19:47

Hurrah, Hurrah, Hurrah (one for each country).
Getting trade deals with south America is just like, having your wardrobe at your friends house at the end of the road (less than convenient).
Still, it will REALLY help the global warming, unless you like your fresh food deliveries to take 6 weeks. Of course Veg from Spain only takes overnight but who wants that?
Speaking of which, a cute frog turned up at Lidl (or somewhere) in a box of bananas. I hope it brought it's visa, we wouldn't want 'Auntie Theresa' to be nasty to it.
If you think I am going mad, just look in Westminster.

1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 19:49

TalkinPaece
I've voted and hopefully it is in support of you (remaining).

greenelephantscarf · 15/05/2019 19:51

lot of posters in windows and a council information book in the post with all parties (16) and their local representatives. short summary of each manifesto in there as well.

am in (eu) forrin though.

lonelyplanetmum · 15/05/2019 19:52

Easiest deals ever with Peru, Columbia, Ecuador.

Just for you LeClerc you can spot how much of the world's economy that gives us access to!

where~is~Peru?

TalkinPaece · 15/05/2019 19:57

My "we can do a deal with Germany" colleague now supports revoke
tiny steps

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 20:40

Re turnout for Euros. Both Comres and BMG Research have their predictions pegged at 48%. I think looking at what other pollsters predict is something to look out for, especially of there's one for YouGov.

I suspect we will know turnout BEFORE counting officially begins.

I'm guessing like the referendum, it will be a case of wanting a high turnout, but as with the ref, if its too high its a worry.

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1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 20:51

lonelyplanetmum
I've visited 30 of those and Peru and a few more.
At least Columbia is actually on that chart.

1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 20:52

{where~is~Peru?}
Sounds a bit like 'Where's Wally'?

QueenOfThorns · 15/05/2019 21:04

If Labour did abstain on the WAB (or whatever it’s called), would it have a chance of passing? The ERG has gone so quiet recently, so can we predict how they’d vote? They might all suddenly get on board if revoke starts to become a real alternative.

Littlespaces · 15/05/2019 21:07

ERG & DUP have already said they will vote it down.

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 21:07

From private eye

Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
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BestIsWest · 15/05/2019 21:18

Too true sadly. FGS. I am so ANGRY.

QueenOfThorns · 15/05/2019 21:23

ERG & DUP have already said they will vote it down.

Oh good. Revoke it is then Grin

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 21:26

Survation @ survation
NEW: UK voting intention for the European Parliament elections. Full tables can be found here: t.co/noq7xEgNSx

Roland Smith @ rolandmcs
In this poll, 72% of Brexit Party supporters are men.

About a quarter of supporters are concentrated in the South West region.

97% voted Leave in 2016, so virtually no Remainers buying the BXP's "respecting democracy" thing.

Brexcels really do seem to be a thing then...

This is deeply troubling.

Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
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BestIsWest · 15/05/2019 21:30

Only 72%? In the pictures of the Merthyr Brexit rally it looked more like 95% men.

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 21:33

Chlorinated chicken

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1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 21:35

{ERG & DUP have already said they will vote it down.

Oh good. Revoke it is then Grin}

That would be a logical conclusion but I fear there may be a snag!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/05/2019 21:47

I like that Private Eye RTB! spot on.

ps. Vote Fucking Liberal Democrat Wink

1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 21:50

{ Vote Fucking Liberal Democrat}

Are these the 'common or garden' variety, or a special breed?

Ellie56 · 15/05/2019 22:33

So are we all voting Fucking Liberal Democrat and Bollocks to Brexit? Grin

prettybird · 15/05/2019 22:42

Not where I am Grin But my version of "Bollocks to Brexit" is, "Get tae fuck, Brexit" Wink