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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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Peregrina · 14/05/2019 23:18

While it would be very gratifying to see Johnson found guilty, even without this it might help to get politics cleaned up, and for blatant lies to be outlawed in political campaigns.

jessicawessica · 14/05/2019 23:23

TM is turning into Glen Close in Fatal Attraction.....just let it go, it's not happening.

SacrebleuLondres · 14/05/2019 23:24

@Peregrina

Unsure if there's a case yet. May 23 the judge decides if a summons for Boris is issued.

RedToothBrush · 14/05/2019 23:35

Immunity for war criminals?

Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?
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RedToothBrush · 14/05/2019 23:39

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
A very senior Conservative texts:
“There are no dice to throw. It’s over for her. After the Euro’s she will be told to go or face a vote of confidence. Literally now, no change, no chance”

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RedToothBrush · 14/05/2019 23:40

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
The source adds: it has to be this June. The ‘22 won’t let her go longer

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thethethethethe · 14/05/2019 23:40

Hard to believe the Tories would risk a GE.

jessicawessica · 15/05/2019 00:02

Risk a GE or keep TM....Hobson's choice.

Oakenbeach · 15/05/2019 00:07

“There are no dice to throw. It’s over for her. After the Euro’s she will be told to go or face a vote of confidence. Literally now, no change, no chance”

TMs tenacity and obstinacy are surely bordering on insanity... Her bunker mentality has only been matched by Hitler!.... yet even Hitler had the excuse that he had no choice but to literally go down fighting...

Oakenbeach · 15/05/2019 00:14

A Downing Street spokesman says the Prime Minister will bring back the Brexit withdrawal agreement bill to the House of Commons in the week beginning 3 June

This is sheer obsessive lunacy... I seriously think she must have had some kind of breakdown to be planning this.

mathanxiety · 15/05/2019 01:38

I suspect she also feels she is going down fighting. A defeat would make it look as if she had given it her all. The vote is a vanity project on her part.

borntobequiet · 15/05/2019 05:04

Crowdfunder for Boris prosecution (already posted upthread by pp)
www.crowdfunder.co.uk/brexitjusticeprosecution

lonelyplanetmum · 15/05/2019 05:42

Morning Born! I'm trying to go back to sleep - this time the cat woke me miaowing in my ear!

Thanks for the crowdfunding link for suing Boris to make an example. I've already contributed. I assume that misfeasance in public office needs a jury eventually ...which is why the prosecuting team go out of their way to emphasise innocent until proven guilty.

On a separate note Polly Toynbee has been using the term Faragist- which is very similar to the term I think I suggested on here!
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borntobequiet · 15/05/2019 05:57

Hi lonely! I woke at 4:45, 30 min before alarm and couldn’t doze...so MN it was. Now done my morning stretches and off for shower, then work.
It’s a stunningly beautiful morning here! But it was lovely in London on Sunday, was grandchild caring and we were out early.

borntobequiet · 15/05/2019 06:00

Farming Today doing party interviews all this week pre Euro elections with all parties, game show format but quite good
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj8q

NoWordForFluffy · 15/05/2019 06:13

I love being outside early at this time of year. It's so peaceful and the colour of the sky with the rising sun is beautiful. And the evenings are beautiful too. I was at the allotment doing some watering yesterday at 8pm; listening to all the birds singing and bees buzzing was very good for the soul.

In these anxious times I do appreciate every little outlet I can find for finding some peace within. Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2019 06:23

Walking by water & trees on a sunny day is especially soothing
I have daily Rhine walks in dry weather and I feel totally at peace

Oakenbeach · 15/05/2019 06:31

I suspect she also feels she is going down fighting. A defeat would make it look as if she had given it her all. The vote is a vanity project on her part.

Well yes, TM going down fighting with another “meaningful vote” is a bit like a WW2 Japanese soldier cornered on a Pacific island giving a banzai charge with his ceremonial sword into an entire US marine corps battalion surrounding him with machine guns.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2019 06:36

May wants her write up in the history books to be the person who kept trying to carry out Brexit, but was continually thwarted by the HoC,

the PM who kept trying until the end,

Rather than the one who fucked it all up
(imo, Cameron did most of that before she started)

There is a 1% chance she wants to prove Brexit is absolutely impossible to get through, before she Revokes < spins prayer wheel >

NoWordForFluffy · 15/05/2019 06:39

There is a 1% chance she wants to prove Brexit is absolutely impossible to get through, before she Revokes < spins prayer wheel >

I really, really want it to be this!

Iambuffy · 15/05/2019 07:01

Been up since 6.20am.

Dh still away, both kids asleep. Drinking green tea and looking at the blue sky.

Simple pleasures.

LonelyTiredandLow · 15/05/2019 07:13

Just seen a great idea on gun laws here from Gloria Steinem. Considering Farage things handguns should be legal and the anti-abortion posts increasing this may well need to be at the front of our minds over the next decade Sad

TatianaLarina · 15/05/2019 07:47

May will never revoke.

I think the Maybot has jammed.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2019 08:16

I'm 99% sure she won't Revoke,
but I'm hanging onto that 1% hope
< I have no cats to console me, so I need something >

borntobequiet · 15/05/2019 08:16

It's amazing that May, for all her grievous faults, still looks like a better leader than most who aspire to her office.